[TriLUG] RE: TriLUG Digest, Vol 2, Issue 29
Lynne Deese
ldeese at ncatp.org
Mon Sep 29 14:58:08 EDT 2003
Hello again to members of Trilug,
If you will remember, a number of months ago I sent out and e-mail to your
organization asking for volunteers to help with the annual conference
sponsored by Partnerships in Assistive Technology and the North Carolina
Assistive Technology Program. The time has come to recruit you once again.
We have two workshops on Linux setup for our conference and we could use
your help and input both before and during the conference. You can visit
the following web site to learn more about the conference in general and our
particular workshops which are scheduled for the afternoon of November the
sixth and all day on November the seventh.
http://www.pat.org/EXPO/index.html We will be holding a couple of meetings
prior to the conference to load software and discuss the applications that
will be featured at the workshops. The first meeting will be this Saturday,
October 4 at North Carolina Assistive Technology located at 1110 Navaho
Drive, Raleigh 27609. The second meeting will be at the same location on
October the 18th. We need as many volunteers as possible to support us in
this effort. We are in hopes that persons with disabilities particularly
those with visual and physical impairments will benefit from a basic
knowledge of the Linux operating system and its accessibility options. You
may reach me at the number below or through this e-mail address if you are
interested in being a participant. Thanks again for your kind attention and
thanks especially to Jason Tower for his help. Lynne Deese
***Note the new website and email address.
A.Lynne Deese
North Carolina Assistive Technology Program
ldeese at ncatp.org
www.ncatp.org
1110 Navaho Dr.
Raleigh, NC 27609
919-850-2787 (Phone and TTY)
919-850-2792 (Fax)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: SSH needs updating again. (Jeff Bollinger)
2. Re: Mail Question (Jon Carnes)
3. Re: Mail Question (Dean Price)
4. Re: Re: Customers are idiots (Mike Mueller)
5. Re: Re: Customers are idiots (Mike Mueller)
6. MS Access opening - Chris B.... (Kevin Flanagan)
7. Re: Linus Torvalds Interview (Mike Mueller)
8. Re: Mail Question (Dean Price)
9. RE: MS Access opening - Chris B.... (Jim Ray)
10. RE: Re: Customers are idiots (Jim Ray)
11. IRC k-line; use dargo instead of moya (Jeremy Portzer)
12. Re: Re: Customers are idiots - Blatantly OT (Scott Chilcote)
13. Re: IRC k-line; use dargo instead of moya (john broome)
14. Re: SSH needs updating again. (Joseph Tate)
15. Re: IRC k-line; use dargo instead of moya (Jeremy Portzer)
16. Re: Re: Customers are idiots (Dan Monjar)
17. RE: Replacing Hard Drive (Ken Mink)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:39:41 -0400
From: Jeff Bollinger <jeff01 at email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] SSH needs updating again.
To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <3F772AED.7070402 at email.unc.edu>
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Michael Thompson wrote:
| I installed yum for RH 9 and was able to enable nighly updates with
| 'service yum start'. (ran 'chkconfig --level 35 yum on' to enable it
| during boot...
|
| --mike
|
What was the command for Yum that only downloaded the packages, and not
install/upgrade them? I'm getting Kernel downloads that I don't want to
be installed automatically.
Thanks!
Jeff
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Message: 2
Date: 28 Sep 2003 15:55:32 -0400
From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Mail Question
To: Dean Price <deano at price4.org>
Cc: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <1064778932.2609.14.camel at Anncons4>
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On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:16, Dean Price wrote:
> Nope, checked that as well. Everything is running as proper users. And the
> timing issue would be valid if it wasn't happening to every piece of mail
> being brought in by fetchyahoo and Gotmail... since postfix and fetchmail
> are working perfectly.
>
> Dean Price
> deano at price4.org
> dprice at charter.net
> dean.price at ctg.com
> 910-797-3895
>
Have you tried running spamc/spamd in debug mode to see if the mail is
even attempted to deliver to spamassassin (but rejected for reasons as
yet unlogged)?
Jon Carnes
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:16:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dean Price" <deano at price4.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Mail Question
To: jonc at nc.rr.com, "Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list"
<trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <1060.192.168.0.51.1064776562.squirrel at webmail.price4.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
Nope, checked that as well. Everything is running as proper users. And the
timing issue would be valid if it wasn't happening to every piece of mail
being brought in by fetchyahoo and Gotmail... since postfix and fetchmail
are working perfectly.
Dean Price
deano at price4.org
dprice at charter.net
dean.price at ctg.com
910-797-3895
<quote who="Jon Carnes">
> <WAG> SpamAssassin has a timing parameter, and if it takes too long to
> process a piece of mail then it simply passes the mail on through
> without any checks. Could it be that some of the processes for getting
> the mail are simply taking too long (or are running as some user that
> doesn't have spam assassin setup to run)?</WAG>
>
> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 07:59, Dean Price wrote:
>> That's what is confusing me procmail is filtering the fetchyahoo and
>> gotmail into the perspective folders, just not going through
>> spamassassin.
>>
>> Believe me, I have two handfulls less hair over this one.
>>
>> You noticed in the .gotmailrc file that I had commented out the lines to
>> tell it to be delivered to procmail and added the line to actually
>> forward
>> directly to postfix....
>>
>> That didn't work either.
>>
>>
>> Dean Price
>> deano at price4.org
>> dprice at charter.net
>> dean.price at ctg.com
>> 910-797-3895
>>
>> <quote who="Joseph Tate">
>> > Could it be that gotmail and fetchyahoo aren't redelivering mail
>> through
>> > postfix like fetchmail does? That's the reason that mail retrieved
>> via
>> > fetchmail are processed by spamassassin: fetchmail hands off to
>> postfix
>> > to do the local delivery. Make sure that gotmail and fetchyahoo don't
>> > deliver straight to your Inbox. Do the procmail rules work on the
>> > messages delivered through fetchyahoo and gotmail?
>> >
>> > Joseph
>> >
>> > Dean Price wrote:
>> >
>> >>Ok guys, I have googled the snot out of this one... Maybe someone in
>> here
>> >>can give it a try.
>> >>
>> >>I have a mail server running postfix, procmail, spamassassin,
>> fetchmail,
>> >>gotmail, and fetchyahoo.
>> >>
>> >>Every thing coming directly to me and the stuff that fetchmail pulls
>> in
>> >>gets processed through procmail and spamassassin. the mail that
>> gotmail
>> >>and fetchyahoo pull in is going through procmail but is not getting
>> >> tagged
>> >>by spamassassin.
>> >>
>> >>here are all relevant files.
>> >>
>> >> .procmailrc
>> >>
>> >>MAILDIR=$HOME # Default mail directory
>> >>DEFAULT=/var/spool/mail/deano
>> >>PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail
>> >>LOGFILE=$PMDIR/log.`date +%y-%m-%d`
>> >>
>> >>###SpamAssassin
>> >>:0fw
>> >>* < 256000
>> >>| /usr/bin/spamc
>> >>
>> >>:0e
>> >>EXITCODE==$?
>> >>
>> >>##Catch SPAM
>> >>:0
>> >>* ^X-Spam-Flag: YES
>> >>* ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*
>> >>SPAM
>> >>
>> >>###To '' *@TriLUG.org '' INBOX '' m
>> >>:0:
>> >>* ^To.**@TriLUG.org
>> >>TriLUG
>> >>
>> >>###To '' *@yahoo.com '' Yahoo '' m
>> >>:0:
>> >>* ^To.**@yahoo.com
>> >>Yahoo
>> >>
>> >>###To '' *@hotmail.com '' HotMail '' m
>> >>:0:
>> >>* ^To.**@hotmail.com
>> >>HotMail
>> >>
>> >> .gotmailrc
>> >>
>> >># This is a sample gotmail configuration file. Rename it to .gotmailrc
>> >># and place it in your home directory to use it.
>> >>
>> >># See the manpage for more options!
>> >>
>> >>username=deano153 at hotmail.com
>> >>password=XXXXXXXXX
>> >>domain=hotmail.com
>> >>forward=deano at price4.org
>> >>only-new
>> >>delete
>> >>#use-procmail
>> >>#procmail-bin=/usr/bin/procmail
>> >># folders="Inbox , Junk Mail"
>> >>retry-limit=3
>> >>
>> >> .fetchmailrc
>> >>
>> >>poll mail.charter.net
>> >> proto pop3
>> >> user "dprice153"
>> >> pass "XXXXXXXX"
>> >> is deano
>> >> nokeep
>> >>
>> >> .fetchyahoo
>> >>
>> >>username = deano153
>> >>password = XXXXXXXX
>> >>use-https = 0
>> >>use-spool = 1
>> >>spool = /usr/bin/procmail
>> >>spool-mode = pipe
>> >>use-proxy = 0
>> >>proxy-host = proxy.hostname.com
>> >>proxy-port = 80
>> >>proxy-username = proxyAuthenicationUserName
>> >>proxy-password = proxyAuthenicationPassword
>> >>use-forward = 0
>> >>mail-host = localhost
>> >>send-to = deano at price4.org
>> >>send-from = deano at price4.org
>> >>new-messages-only = 1
>> >>no-delete = 0
>> >>folder = Inbox
>> >>quiet = 0
>> >>get-external = 0
>> >>no-errors = 0
>> >>empty-trash-after = 0
>> >>empty-trash-before = 0
>> >>empty-bulk = 1
>> >>repeat-interval = 0
>> >>leave-unread = 0
>> >>no-from-line = 0
>> >>logout = 0
>> >>status-only = 0
>> >>
>> >> crontab entries
>> >>
>> >>deano Yes fetchmail -m "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T"
>> >> Yes fetchyahoo.pl
>> >> Yes gotmail
>> >>
>> >>The only difference here is that fetchmail uses command line options.
>> and
>> >>gotmail and fetchyahoo do not accept options.
>> >>
>> >>Dean Price
>> >>deano at price4.org
>> >>dprice at charter.net
>> >>dean.price at ctg.com
>> >>910-797-3895
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:13:52 -0400
From: Mike Mueller <linux-support at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: Customers are idiots
To: Chip Davis <chip at aresti.com>, Triangle Linux Users Group
discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <E1A3jmq-0005Ar-00 at smtp10.atl.mindspring.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On Saturday 27 September 2003 21:11, Chip Davis wrote:
> > Windows is a Corvair - no seat belts and "Unsafe At Any Speed".
>
> As a past owner of two Corvairs I must _strenuously_ object to this
> blatant example of FUD that probably predates Mr. Mueller's birth.
I'll yield to the gentleman with the Corvairs and accept the change to Pinto
in the example. What a pathetic automobile. I appreciate that something
held
in esteem, like a collectable automobile, should not be compared to Windows.
Nobody collects Pintos - do they?
The play on Nader was intentional. Regardless of what you think about his
politics and positions you have to acknowledge his effectiveness as a
FUD-meister.
The comment about my age is most welcome. Thank you. It's like getting
carded at the grocery store.
--
Mike Mueller
324881 (08/20/2003)
Make clockwise circles with your right foot.
Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:16:02 -0400
From: Mike Mueller <linux-support at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: Customers are idiots
To: trilug at trilug.org
Message-ID: <E1A3jow-0005dz-00 at smtp10.atl.mindspring.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On Saturday 27 September 2003 23:20, Jim Ray wrote:
> the only blue screen i ever saw was in my rear view
> mirror when i watched those flashing blue lights disappear
he-he. Probably had a near heart attack. The other blue screen is just
frustration or possibly anger.
--
Mike Mueller
324881 (08/20/2003)
Make clockwise circles with your right foot.
Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air.
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Message: 6
Date: 28 Sep 2003 20:27:52 -0400
From: Kevin Flanagan <kevin at flanagannc.net>
Subject: [TriLUG] MS Access opening - Chris B....
To: trilug at trilug.org
Message-ID: <1064795271.1196.23.camel at saturn>
Content-Type: text/plain
http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/
--
+-------------------------------------------------------+
Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any
good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
Howard Aiken
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:27:18 -0400
From: Mike Mueller <linux-support at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Linus Torvalds Interview
To: trilug at trilug.org
Message-ID: <E1A3mo3-0004p9-00 at smtp10.atl.mindspring.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:00, David A. Cafaro wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/magazine/WLN104109.html
>From the article:
<quote> I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely
unintentional side effect.</quote>
Here's a person obviously not worried about losing his job and sending
management into a fit of cow-towing apology. Refreshing.
--
Mike Mueller
324881 (08/20/2003)
Make clockwise circles with your right foot.
Now use your right hand to draw the number "6" in the air.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dean Price" <dprice153 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Mail Question
To: jonc at nc.rr.com, "Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list"
<trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <4192.192.168.0.51.1064801594.squirrel at webmail.price4.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
just did a tail -f on my /var/log/maillog
put one of my external email addresss (@ctg.com) on the black list and
send emails from that address to each handler (postfix, fetchmail,
gotmail and fetchyahoo. Spamassassin running in Debug. the postfix and
fetchmail handlers processed through procmail and spamassassin and were
marked as spam. the gotmail and fetchyahoo handlers process through
procmail and ended up in the folders that they were supposed to, but did
not go through spamassassin. The log file running tail show me the
definitive results.
Dean Price
deano at price4.org
dprice at charter.net
dean.price at ctg.com
910-797-3895
<quote who="Jon Carnes">
> On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:16, Dean Price wrote:
>> Nope, checked that as well. Everything is running as proper users. And
>> the
>> timing issue would be valid if it wasn't happening to every piece of
>> mail
>> being brought in by fetchyahoo and Gotmail... since postfix and
>> fetchmail
>> are working perfectly.
>>
>> Dean Price
>> deano at price4.org
>> dprice at charter.net
>> dean.price at ctg.com
>> 910-797-3895
>>
> Have you tried running spamc/spamd in debug mode to see if the mail is
> even attempted to deliver to spamassassin (but rejected for reasons as
> yet unlogged)?
>
> Jon Carnes
>
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>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:04:35 -0400
From: "Jim Ray" <jim at neuse.net>
Subject: RE: [TriLUG] MS Access opening - Chris B....
To: "'Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list'" <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <001201c38681$da31b620$6601a8c0 at terrapinjunction.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
looks like a cool tool. maybe they'll get the write version done by the
time i have time to look at it. i can think of a number of dbs in access
that i'd like to see in mysql with a little php to get it on the web.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]On
> Behalf Of Kevin Flanagan
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:28 PM
> To: trilug at trilug.org
> Subject: [TriLUG] MS Access opening - Chris B....
>
>
> http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/
> --
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:06:56 -0400
From: "Jim Ray" <jim at neuse.net>
Subject: RE: [TriLUG] Re: Customers are idiots
To: "'Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list'" <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <001301c38682$2f288140$6601a8c0 at terrapinjunction.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
yes. blue screens really suck. moving into a honda civic solved the
temptation problem very quickly.
> -----Original Message-----
>
> he-he. Probably had a near heart attack. The other blue
> screen is just
> frustration or possibly anger.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:20:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Portzer <jeremyp at pobox.com>
Subject: [TriLUG] IRC k-line; use dargo instead of moya
To: Triangle Linux Users Group <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309290919250.11022-100000 at moya.trilug.org>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
For some reason, moya.trilug.org got banned from the Freenode IRC network
through a "K-line".
If you got kicked off, just ssh to "dargo.trilug.org" and run irssi from
there, and you should be able to reconnect.
Sorry about the problem... we are contacting Freenode staff right now to
see why this happened.
--Jeremy
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:33:41 -0400
From: Scott Chilcote <scottchilcote at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: Customers are idiots - Blatantly OT
To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <3F7834B5.2030304 at earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Chip Davis wrote:
> The Chevrolet Corvair was far from unsafe, and in fact both of my cars
> had seatbelts. Its design was a significant departure for American
> carmakers, but old news in Stuttgart and Modena.
>
> Corvairs came to the attention of an ambitious young lawyer named
> Ralph Nader because they were being driven by idiot customers (see,
> this isn't totally OT) clueless to the fact that they handled more
> like a Porsche than a Pontiac.
Hello Chip,
It wasn't the Corvair engine that was responsible for the substantial
number of fatal accidents it accrued; it was the design of the rear
suspension. Both of the rear axles were vertically opposed swingarms;
if you lifted the car off the ground, the rear wheels would both swing
down on either side of the differential.
This was not unusual, but unlike other designs, the wheel's camber was
not adjusted when the axle moved. The wheel stayed perpendicular to the
axle instead of the ground. There were no sway bars, which GM omitted
for a savings of $4 per vehicle. The car's weight was greater in back
than in front, adding to the impact of these uncontrolled variables when
avoidance maneouvers were required. Anyone interested in the details
can find them quickly with google.
I'm not rabidly pro-Nader and didn't vote for him, but I do admire his
willingness to take a stand. He was a product of his time, when
automobiles came into full popularity in this country with almost no
concern for safety or the environment. I personally know four people
who died in car accidents, and several more who have been grievously
injured. It's not something I ever want to take for granted.
Apologies for this diversion folks. Extra apologies if this snowballs!
:-|
Scott C.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:37:54 -0400
From: john broome <john at jbroome.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] IRC k-line; use dargo instead of moya
To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <3F7835B2.2020300 at jbroome.dyndns.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> Sorry about the problem... we are contacting Freenode staff right
now to
> see why this happened.
I blame dogboyneal. :)
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:31:41 -0400
From: Joseph Tate <jtate at dragonstrider.com>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] SSH needs updating again.
To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <3F78424D.2050504 at dragonstrider.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Jeff Bollinger wrote:
> Michael Thompson wrote:
> | I installed yum for RH 9 and was able to enable nighly updates with
> | 'service yum start'. (ran 'chkconfig --level 35 yum on' to enable it
> | during boot...
> |
> | --mike
> |
>
> What was the command for Yum that only downloaded the packages, and not
> install/upgrade them? I'm getting Kernel downloads that I don't want to
> be installed automatically.
>
> Thanks!
> Jeff
Yum list updates will do it. Check out man yum for more options. You
could also put kernel updates in the exclude line in your yum.conf
file. That way it won't update your kernels from yum. (Glibc is
another common addition). Man yum.conf to see this and other
configuration options.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:38:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeremy Portzer <jeremyp at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] IRC k-line; use dargo instead of moya
To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309291019030.11022-100000 at moya.trilug.org>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Well, the k-line has been removed. Apparently the network admins were
concerned because there were so many people connected from moya.
(Sometimes malicious users use multiple connections for denial of service
bots.) Too bad they didn't try to contact us first...grr...
At any rate, everyone should be able to reconnect now.
--Jeremy
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> For some reason, moya.trilug.org got banned from the Freenode IRC network
> through a "K-line".
>
> If you got kicked off, just ssh to "dargo.trilug.org" and run irssi from
> there, and you should be able to reconnect.
>
> Sorry about the problem... we are contacting Freenode staff right now to
> see why this happened.
>
> --Jeremy
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:42:02 -0400
From: Dan Monjar <daniel.monjar at na.biomerieux.com>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: Customers are idiots
To: Chip Davis <chip at aresti.com>, Triangle Linux Users Group
discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
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--On Sunday, September 28, 2003 01:11:16 AM +0000 Chip Davis
<chip at aresti.com> wrote:
> Instead, I'll suggest that perhaps a more accurate statement would
> have been to compare Windows to the Ford Pinto, a car that did a
> barely-adequate job of taking you where you wanted to go ... until it
> burst into flames!
Or the Chevy Vega with the aluminium block that would melt at long
stoplight delays.
--
Daniel Monjar
IS Manager, Technical Services
bioMirieux, Inc.
Durham, NC US
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Message: 17
Date: 29 Sep 2003 11:02:18 -0400
From: Ken Mink <kmtrilug at nc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [TriLUG] Replacing Hard Drive
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One thing to be aware of when unsing Knoppix is the version of the
fstools. I ran into this when using Knoppix to copy a RH7.3 machine to a
new hard drive. I used Knoppix to partition and format the new drives. I
then rsync'd all the files over. The first time RH7.3 needed to fsck the
new drive, it said the filesystems were created with unsupported options
and refused to fsck the drive. There was some slight difference between
the fstools that RH7.3 didn't like.
I restarted the whole process, but used the RH7.3 cds in rescue mode to
create the filesystems. I used Knoppix exactly as before for all other
steps. This time there were no complaints from RH7.3 when fsck'ing.
These were ext3 filesystems and the RH7.3 was up to date on errata.
There also may have been a keyboard to chair interface problem.
Ken
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 20:21, Michael Hrivnak wrote:
> I've done this a number of times. I like to use knoppix. I partition
> and format the new drive, and then for any non-swap partitions I mount
> them on each drive and do:
>
> cp -avx /mnt/old/* /mnt/new/*
>
> Works like a charm. Don't forget to run lilo on the new drive.
>
> Michael
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