[TriLUG] ban on freenode - Magnus innocent!

[William Sutton]

I didn't log the conversations, and John's web page gives me a timeout 
when I attempt to view it.  However, I saw all of what went on in the 
trilug channel and a good bit of what went on in the debian channel.  Here 
then (from memory, which admittedly may be deficient) is my recollection:

- Lavigne indicated that he'd asked a technical question in #debian and 
that nobody would help him.  When he questioned their competence (I 
believe the quote was they wouldn't know their butt from a hole in the 
ground), he was banned.
- Magnus was curious if this was a standard practice and decided he wanted 
to go see if he could reproduce the behavior.  Aware that there was a 
potential for getting banned he commented that at least he was on an 
independent server so if he got banned he would be the only one affected.  
He and a number of other #trilug regulars went over to #debian to see what 
fun might be in the offing.
- Shortly after Magnus asked his question in #debian, I joined, just to 
see if there was any fun to be had.  Most of the fun going on there was 
apparently #debian members playing with their eggdrop bot.  Overall it was 
pretty lame.
- It took Magnus a while to get a response, but when he did, someone 
actually tried to answer his question.
- Ian had a momentary lapse of good judgement and decided to troll the 
channel on the merits of OSX, saying that it was better than Debian.
- Ian then made a comment about the immaturity of the channel members 
playing with their bot.  I followed it up (in a similar lapse of 
judgement) questioning their general manhood.  Note that I run off an 
rr.com account, so like Magnus it makes no sense to ban moya on my 
account.
- Magnus and his helper in #debian continued their technical discussion.  
So far as I recall, his only troll-caliber comment was at the beginning of 
the whole affair when he tried to accellerate the help process by 
commenting that he got better help in #fedora.
- Presently a number of #trilug regulars on the moya connection got bored 
and /part'd #debian.
- moya was banned from #debian, directly, Ian says, because of his 
comments in-channel.
- Magnus and his helper continued their discussion, and I continued to 
throw out minor trolls (e.g., "If Red Hat is Linux for the masses then 
Debian is Linux for the elitists").
- Jermey attempted to resolve the situation in #debian since some people 
in #trilug were understandably upset over moya being banned.  I don't know 
what on in private conversation, but what I saw was the op not realizing 
that moya was a multi-users system and Jeremy incredulous that anyone 
would site-ban.  My own observation (having once been an op) is that one 
should ban *!<username>@hostname rather than *!*@hostname, but the latter 
ban was the type set.
- I get a little fuzzy on the #trilug events at this point but my guess is 
John took Magnus to task in #trilug or on the list for getting moya banned 
in #debian.  Magnus' response was to graphically insult John in-channel.
- Magnus left #debian with his answer and an apology from one of the 
#debian channel members for the general behavior in channel.
- Shortly after he left, some of the #debian members started grousing 
about who set a site ban on moya and why they would ban a group rather 
than just one individual.
- I left #debian and returned to the #trilug firestorm.

Feel free to correct the cronology above based on the logs, but that's my 
recollection.  It wasn't as malefactory as John suggested in his initial 
email, but then, subsequent #trilug discussion indicated that Magnus and 
John don't exactly care for each other :)

Overall, I think after the past week's ego contests and general contention 
that maybe we all need to use a little more restraint, myself included.  
To quote Tanner at the end of it, "To think after the way this week 
started that I would be the voice of reason."

William (shal) who regrets having trolled #debian


On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Roberto J. Dohnert wrote:

> The way I see it you both conspired to start a ruckus,  you did.  So you 
> both are responsible, Chris and Ian.
> 
> davis wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 11:35:35PM -0500, Ian Meyer wrote:
> >  
> >
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> >>I think he is innocent as far as all he did was suggest that I go over 
> >>there. He asked a question, and gave them a hard time as his question 
> >>scrolled out of the window, and got an answer.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >You are still avoiding the point.  Never the less, I will let the logs
> >show the last word.  The one positive thing about the log is it shows
> >Jeremyp politely getting the ban dropped.  Kudos to him.
> >
> >FWIW, I got a kick out of this line:
> ><bucky> jeremyp, he acts like a deliverance banjo boy
> >
> >The log is here with highlights for your viewing pleasure:
> >http://www.skink.net/~davis/temp/debian.html
> >
> >  
> >
>