[TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel

[mike shlitz]

Hi Greg,

I have one, a DEC Alpha PC164LX server, running CentOS
Linux...

Mike

--- Greg Brown <gwbrown1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What ever happened to my Digital Unix box running on
> 64 bit Alpha chips?
> And that was 1995 or 1996.  One would think we would
> be further down the 64
> bit path by this point.
> 
> On 8/2/06, OlsonE at aosa.army.mil
> <OlsonE at aosa.army.mil> wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Same issues here with x64 as well. What a shame.
> I'll be content once
> > x64 Linux is a little more mainstream (and less
> buggy).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
> [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jim Ray
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:38 PM
> > To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
> >
> > yes, really.  not that anyone cares to discuss
> winders in this group;
> > however, symantec antivirus corporate edition as
> well as winder's own
> > WSUS puke hard with 64 bit Windows 2003 Server.
> >
> > from a server point of view, that's a show stopper
> and very specific.
> > WinXP64 is not a server OS.  i'll defer judgement
> on 64 bit desktops to
> > others since the majority of my customers have 32
> bit hardware and don't
> > care.
> >
> > all the best for a happy and safe move to NY just
> the same, though.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Ray, President
> > Neuse River Networks
> > 2610 Vanderbilt Ave.
> > Raleigh, NC 27607-7247
> >
> > tel: 919-838-1672
> > cell: 919-606-1772
> > http://www.Neuse.Net
> >
> > Connecting You to the World since 1997
> >
> > Matthew Lavigne wrote:
> > > Really?  I have only seen that basically
> anything that runs as a
> > > service looks for 64 bit and then dies (namely
> Antivirus).  In my old
> > > shop (yes, it is not mine anymore) we installed
> and ran everything as
> > > 32 bit with the exception of antivirus.  In the
> course of 24 months we
> >
> > > have never had a conflict where an application
> acted badly other then
> > > trying to install again a 32 bit antivirus on
> WinXP64.
> > >
> > > A little more qualification would be nice rather
> then generalizations,
> >
> > > especially if you have some known bad
> applications.
> > >
> > > Personally I have found very little that would
> force me to 64 bit
> > > Windows though the workstation that I have
> (along with the 6GB of
> > > system memory) would drive me to.  It is not
> difficult to use the /PAE
> >
> > > switch or several others to push the memory
> limits around (especially
> > > if you have Xeon CPUs).
> > >
> > > This box isn't linux yet cause there is too much
> that I need to
> > > convert to a vmware image before I move it
> over...
> > >
> > > Matthew Lavigne
> > > Preparing to move to NY....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net>:
> > >
> > >> Winders has 64 bit versions.  I don't use them
> because too many apps
> > >> are broken.
> > >>
> > >> Jim Ray, President
> > >> Neuse River Networks
> > >>
> > >> tel: 919-838-1672
> > >> http://www.Neuse.Net
> > >>
> > >> Connecting You to the World since 1997
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
> > >>> [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf
> Of Greg Brown
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:10 AM
> > >>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> > >>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
> > >>>
> > >>> You bring up an interesting point.  My
> neighbor just purchased a new
> >
> > >>> laptop
> > >>> that has a 64 bit processor.   Can XPee Home
> even take
> > >>> advantage of a 64 bit
> > >>> processor?
> > >>>
> > >>> She's already fed up with the anti-virus she
> is using and has
> > >>> already asked about Linux (after hearing me
> yap about it for years
> > >>> now).  Hopefully she'll pull the trigger and I
> can intall Ubuntu as
> > >>> a social expirement.  I'd really like to see
> how well a seriously
> > >>> non-techincal person manages with Ubuntu.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 7/28/06, Kevin Flanagan
> <kevin at flanagannc.net> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > That would have to fall in the "that
> depends" category.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > What would you be doing with the system, for
> a laptop, I
> > >>> see that HP
> > >>> > now has a Turion 64Bit laptop, interesting
> if you could
> > >>> take advantage
> > >>> > of the processor.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > If you are using much CPU to Memory transfer
> intensive
> > >>> applications,
> > >>> > then AMD has the edge, otherwise I don't
> think that it
> > >>> matters as much.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > What about the other stuff, that says more
> in many cases.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > What disks are available, SATA, or PATA, or
> SCSI?
> > >>> > What Video subsystem suits your needs best?
> > >>> > How much RAM can you get for the system in
> question?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > As usual, there's a lot more to the "best"
> answer,
> > >>> generally I think
> > >>> > that if you get a top tier system now it's
> likely enough for 95%
> > >>> > or more of folks, unless you're just that
> kind of geek who
> > >>> needs to spec
> > >>> > out every last detail.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Then there's cost.....
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Kevin
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Greg Brown wrote:
> > >>> > > It was not long ago at all, just last
> year, that the prevailing
> > >>> > > opinion of those on Trilug seemed to be
> that AMD was
> > >>> leading the way
> > >>> > > for chip
> > >>> > design
> > >>> > > for the foreseeable future.  With Intel's
> latest 
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