[TriLUG] DST fix

Tue Feb 27 15:30:06 EST 2007

It was not my interest in starting a RH sucks vs no it doesn't debate 
only state that I would prefer that OTHERS run CentOS + security updates 
vs RHEL + no security updates if those are their only choices for some 
reason. Just as a matter of they are less likely to launch a denial of 
service attack against the like...the Internet :-). What I meant by that 
is that branding or QA that was performed 3-4 years ago ceases to be as 
relevant as that single issue. I'm not saying it wasn't originally 
valuable, just that it is less valuable than up to date patches 
(especially security patches) NOW. And I'm speaking mostly selfishly in 
that I'd prefer your system NOT be part of a distributed denial of 
service attack against one of my systems or my ISP just because you 
DIDN'T keep up to date -- not that the threat of me personally being 
affected is really staggering but it is high enough that I have a 
preference :-).

I do agree, however, that if one is going to use a supported linux 
distribution (meaning one where you like buy it and it comes with a 
support contract like RHEL and SLES) then I think keeping up with the 
agreement is part of your responsibility. If the issue is that upgrading 
isn't as easy or as painless as it is in other distributions, then that 
should be addressed via customer activism (I haven't personally upgraded 
a recent RHEL so I have no idea if it is just a command line call + 
eventual reboot yet). Just my preference :-).

-Andy

Cristóbal Palmer wrote:
> Nobody is stopping admins from patching their systems; they're just
> not serving it on a platter. I call BS.
>
> -CMP
>
> On 2/27/07, Chris Bullock <cgbullock at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I think its absurd that Red Hat does not support their product with
>> updates longer than a year if you bought their product, I can understand
>> no support but updates should be included. This will eventually lead to
>> cracked/hacked/rooted machines since Red Hat is refusing to give 
>> important
>> updates to its consumers. I like linux, but I feel that Windows 
>> providing
>> support until end of life should be an example followed by Red Hat.
>> Regards,
>> Chris Bullock
>> --- "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver at buni.org> wrote:
>>
>> > If the choice is: No patches on RHEL or CentOS + patches...I can tell
>> > you which one I'D prefer
>> > he run. (However I also would prefer people retire their Windows 95
>> > boxes just to be good netizens :-D )
>> >
>> > -Andy
>> > manager of uninfected web servers frequented by code red infected
>> > windows boxes since July 2001
>> >
>> > David McDowell wrote:
>> > > Warren, that is the obvious bit. *sigh*
>> > >
>> > > What I'm trying to say is that it could potentially change the
>> > > distro... sure all the binaries are probably fine and your programs
>> > > still work, but it would no longer be "RHEL". Is this what Mark
>> > > *really* wants? Someone who knows what I'm saying, I know there is a
>> > > better way to explain this than what I'm coming up with.
>> > >
>> > > thanks,
>> > > David
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 2/26/07, Warren Myers <volcimaster at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> CentOS _IS_ RHEL - just recompiled.
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2/26/07, David McDowell <turnpike420 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ! with a warning that this will make the box a CentOS box, no
>> > longer
>> > >> > a RHEL box... correct????
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On 2/26/07, Mark Fowle <mfowle at adeliesystems.com> wrote:
>> > >> > > Thanks I will try this.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On 2/26/07, William Sutton <william at trilug.org> wrote:
>> > >> > > > As an alternative, grab
>> > >> ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2007c.tar.gz
>> > >> > > > then use "zic" to convert that data to zone files[1]
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > --
>> > >> > > > William Sutton
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > [1] Thanks to derobert_work on #trilug
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 jason at monsterjam.org wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > > supposedly you can just copy it from a patched box in the
>> > same
>> > >> > timezone.. Im sure
>> > >> > > > > someone here can find you a copy of the file..
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > Jason
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:27:18PM -0500,
>> > >> > > > > Mark Fowle wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > All - I have an older RHEL ES3 server that no long has
>> > up2date
>> > >> > (no
>> > >> > > > > > contracts, etc..) -
>> > >> > > > > > I need to patch it for Day Light Savings and am not sure
>> > whats
>> > >> > > > > > involved except for tzdata (source and patch) - I've
>> > >> downloaded
>> > >> > it,
>> > >> > > > > > but have no clue what to do with it? Has anyone out there
>> > >> applied
>> > >> > > > > > this manually?
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > Thanks,
>> > >> > > > > > Mark
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