[TriLUG] Trilug Kode of Kondukt

[Jim Ray]

What I've done in the past when I felt steering committee was off base is to
tell steering committee how I feel.  Hey, there have been times when I've
been told I was off base over the years.

If the steering committee doesn't like what I've got to say, they have their
delete keys just as I have mine.

Personally, I do not go to the TriLUG meetings due to family and business
obligations and do not feel that I have a right to vote.

It would be interesting to take an online and an in person vote to see if
the numbers correlate.

Nah, keep it simple.  Just do it.  Publish the code and let someone make
changes if they don't like it.

Regards,
 
Jim
 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
Behalf Of Greg
> Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:47 AM
> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Trilug Kode of Kondukt
> 
> Time out, Cristobal.  Look carefully at this line:
> 
> "Because this Code of Conduct is ratified by the TriLUG membership"
> 
> If you are taking ONE vote in ONE location and ONE time this CoC is NOT
> ratified by the TriLUG membership.  Not at all.  Some of us can't make it
to
> meetings on Thursday nights and if you miss this vote your voice as a
member
> of TriLUG hasn't only not been heard it has been completely ignored.
> 
> What happens when the members of TriLUG think the steering committee has
run
> amok?  What do the members do then?
> 
> Greg
> 
> On 8/14/07, Cristóbal Palmer <cristobalpalmer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 8/14/07, James Brigman <jbrigman at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Think it over, carefully. It seems a pointless aggregation of such a
> > > negative power.
> >
> > Would you be happy with it if we cut out this section:
> >
> > <snip />
> >
> > Dealing with violators
> >
> > Because this Code of Conduct is ratified by the TriLUG membership, the
> > Steering Committee has a responsibility to enforce it for the
> > protection of that membership. As such, the following guidelines will
> > be used to enforce the Code of Conduct to violators.
> >
> > 1. Initial warning in writing/email.
> > 2. Reminder warning in writing/email.
> > 3. Public warning in writing/email to violator and the TriLUG discussion
> > list.
> > 4. Removal of TriLUG membership privileges.
> >
> > <snip />
> >
> > Yes? No? Maybe? Something else entirely? Please make a concrete
> > suggestion either to the list or to conduct at trilug.org. It feels like
> > you're mocking our earnest efforts at building this community with a
> > Nazi parody, and if that's the case it is profoundly insulting. Please
> > don't just leave it at that. Please show me that that impression is
> > wrong by responding with revisions that you'd be happy (or at least
> > happier) with.
> >
> > Also, I think you're focussed on the wrong end of things. I really
> > think we (the current steering committee) would be ridiculously
> > unlikely to actually use this enforcement section. In fact I can think
> > of only one example where it would have applied (the "baby killer"
> > thread).
> >
> > I think the CoC would have value even if it were completely toothless.
> > The point is for us to agree on what positive practices we agree are
> > invaluable. What are the things that we all have to remember to do to
> > have a healthy group? I think that reminder is valuable even for
> > groups that don't "need" it. It's especially valuable for groups that
> > want to grow or do community outreach.
> >
> > Lastly, you don't think about your membership when you post to the
> > list? You don't think about how google will remember your words 5, 15
> > years from now? As an administrator for ibiblio.org I deal on a
> > semi-regular basis with people who want their emails removed from an
> > ibiblio-hosted list. They made a stupid comment back in 1997 (we've
> > got some _seriously_ long-running lists) and now want it erased. Do
> > you know how many sites mirror the TriLUG list archives? If people
> > aren't thinking of their membership when they post, I pray they're at
> > least _thinking_. I don't pretend a CoC will be a gate keeping out
> > such un-thinking posters; I don't think your criticism of the CoC as
> > something that will have a chilling effect on the list is a valid one.
> > Precisely the opposite: I think it will empower humble people too
> > timid to otherwise ask a question to join the discussion.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Cristóbal M. Palmer
> > celebrating 15 years of sunsite/metalab/ibiblio:
> > http://tinyurl.com/2o8hj4
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