[TriLUG] This is not good

[Michael Kimsal]

Interestingly, though, Sun never 'went after' open source efforts (to my
knowledge) like gcj.  The 'open source' java packages get bundled on linux
distros to the point where you can type "java" on the command line and get
something that sort of looks like Java, but doesn't run most packages.
Perhaps things are a bit better these days, but I always thought that 'out
of the box' experience did as much harm to the name 'Java' as anything MS
ever did.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:01 AM, William Sutton <william at trilug.org> wrote:

> What happened was a case of Microsoft's SOP of embrace-and-extend.  They
> licensed the right to package Java with their development tools, and then
> proceeded to extend and change the API they published, even to the point of
> breaking the existing Sun API.  Sun sued, claiming they owned Java and that
> Microsoft couldn't just change the APIs and still call it Java. Microsoft
> claimed (iirc) that anybody could use the language and so anyone should be
> able to do so.  The judge ruled in favor of Sun, so Microsoft took its
> marbles and went home.  Presently they came back with C#, into which they
> put the features they liked from Java, plus a few of their own.
>
> William Sutton
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Christopher L Merrill wrote:
>
>  Greg Brown wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't we already go round and round on this dance with J++ back in the
>>> day?  Or was the problem with J++ was that MS was trying to commercialize
>>> a
>>> fork of a open source project?  It was a while ago.. details are fuzzy.
>>>
>>
>> Java wasn't open source then. M$ licensed it and then allegedly violated
>> the
>> terms of the license.  MS called it Java, but it wasn't quite Java.  I
>> don't
>> remember the details beyond that.
>>
>> The pseudo-java being used in Android (Google, again) might also be
>> considered a fork by some. Or the pre-cursor to one.
>>
>>
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