[TriLUG] TW and Embarq work to keep Wilson style internet from spreading

[OlsonE at aosa.army.mil]

I followed suit and guess what I got ...put on their mailing list! I never opted into that ***t! Ugh.

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From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kimsal
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:55 PM
To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] TW and Embarq work to keep Wilson style internet from spreading

I've already written to my state reps and asked my friends to as well.

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joseph Tate <dragonstrider at gmail.com> wrote:

> I appreciate the response.  Gives me a few real talking points with
> regard to the bill's wording.  When people who know don't share, it
> keeps people who don't ignorant.  :)
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Charles Fischer <fischer at 4pi.com> wrote:
> > I think the 80% access rule is enough that the bill should be killed.
> >
> > The cost of capital should not have to be local.  The private
> communications
> > service providers will shop for the best rates including investors, so
> the
> > city should also shop for the best rate.
> >
> > The private communications service providers will piggyback their service
> > onto existing cable or phone systems.  To make the city charge what it
> would
> > cost to build a service from scratch would be wrong.
> >
> > As a tax payer, if a city can provide a utility cheaper, I want the city
> to
> > do so.  That is true for water, sewer, trash and Internet.  Some things
> > private companies do better, some things the government does better and a
> > few like the Internet may depend on location.
> >
> > I really should have treated this like BBQ posts.
> >
> > -Charles Fischer
> >
> >
> > At 11:13 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
> >>
> >> So to take devil's advocate here for a minute, besides the "80%
> >> access" rule -- which I think should be made 99% or even 100% because
> >> 80% is a cop out to the 80-20 rule -- and the "the cost of the capital
> >> component that is equivalent to the cost of capital available to
> >> private communications service providers in the same locality" --
> >> which I think shouldn't have to be linked to the credit ratings of
> >> commercial enterprise -- what's wrong with this bill*?  And why
> >> shouldn't it be extended to cover other existing utilities?  It states
> >> that the local run infrastructure should have to remit the same sorts
> >> of fees and taxes that a private enterprise would have to in operating
> >> the infrastructure to the local coffers.  And therefore the locally
> >> provided "utility" can't use it's position of government to unfairly
> >> compete with private enterprise.  How is this construed as "Time
> >> Warner et al are trying to block municipally owned internet".  Which
> >> items in particular are the "blocking" passages?
> >>
> >> Joseph
> >>
> >> * full text of the bill here:
> >> http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2009/Bills/House/HTML/H1252v2.html
> >> it only takes a few minutes to read.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM, mgmonza <mgmonza at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I hadn't seen this mentioned yet.  Time Warner et al are trying to
> block
> >> > municipally owned internet:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.techjournalsouth.com/news/article.html?item_id=7334
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > H/T to an anonymous BBS poster.
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