[TriLUG] TW and Embarq work to keep Wilson style internet from spreading

[Neil L. Little]

Oh no! you have been "fingered" as a concerned citizen!

was that with email or snail mail?

73,
Neil, WA4AZL

OlsonE at aosa.army.mil wrote:
> I followed suit and guess what I got ...put on their mailing list! I never opted into that ***t! Ugh.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kimsal
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] TW and Embarq work to keep Wilson style internet from spreading
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> I've already written to my state reps and asked my friends to as well.
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> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joseph Tate <dragonstrider at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I appreciate the response.  Gives me a few real talking points with
>> regard to the bill's wording.  When people who know don't share, it
>> keeps people who don't ignorant.  :)
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Charles Fischer <fischer at 4pi.com> wrote:
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>>> I think the 80% access rule is enough that the bill should be killed.
>>>
>>> The cost of capital should not have to be local.  The private
>>>       
>> communications
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>>> service providers will shop for the best rates including investors, so
>>>       
>> the
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>>> city should also shop for the best rate.
>>>
>>> The private communications service providers will piggyback their service
>>> onto existing cable or phone systems.  To make the city charge what it
>>>       
>> would
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>>> cost to build a service from scratch would be wrong.
>>>
>>> As a tax payer, if a city can provide a utility cheaper, I want the city
>>>       
>> to
>>     
>>> do so.  That is true for water, sewer, trash and Internet.  Some things
>>> private companies do better, some things the government does better and a
>>> few like the Internet may depend on location.
>>>
>>> I really should have treated this like BBQ posts.
>>>
>>> -Charles Fischer
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:13 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote:
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>>>> So to take devil's advocate here for a minute, besides the "80%
>>>> access" rule -- which I think should be made 99% or even 100% because
>>>> 80% is a cop out to the 80-20 rule -- and the "the cost of the capital
>>>> component that is equivalent to the cost of capital available to
>>>> private communications service providers in the same locality" --
>>>> which I think shouldn't have to be linked to the credit ratings of
>>>> commercial enterprise -- what's wrong with this bill*?  And why
>>>> shouldn't it be extended to cover other existing utilities?  It states
>>>> that the local run infrastructure should have to remit the same sorts
>>>> of fees and taxes that a private enterprise would have to in operating
>>>> the infrastructure to the local coffers.  And therefore the locally
>>>> provided "utility" can't use it's position of government to unfairly
>>>> compete with private enterprise.  How is this construed as "Time
>>>> Warner et al are trying to block municipally owned internet".  Which
>>>> items in particular are the "blocking" passages?
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> * full text of the bill here:
>>>> http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2009/Bills/House/HTML/H1252v2.html
>>>> it only takes a few minutes to read.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM, mgmonza <mgmonza at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> I hadn't seen this mentioned yet.  Time Warner et al are trying to
>>>>>           
>> block
>>     
>>>>> municipally owned internet:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.techjournalsouth.com/news/article.html?item_id=7334
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> H/T to an anonymous BBS poster.
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