[TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
Jim Ray
jim at neuse.net
Fri Jan 8 09:38:30 EST 2010
Dude...even 1/3 of 156 hrs is *much* greater than your 3 hour
estimate!!!
Good luck. I'm just telling you the way it is. You are way off. I did
not say we could not be friends; I'm just saying your estimate is not
accurate.
Here to help,
Jim BOFH
-----Original Message-----
From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Kelley
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:35 AM
To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
...which is exactly was I was asking for in the beginning - just run the
cables. Perhaps I was not clear enough even though I mentioned no
walls, no ceilings, just run cables...
-Ron
On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Dave Hostetler wrote:
> If you just wanted the wire "stubbed out" meaning that the ends would
be hanging unterminated from the ceiling and out of the box in the wall,
I would guess you could take about one third of Jim's time. Most of the
time will be spent in terminating the wires and punching down a patch
panel. If you're willing to do the work yourself, you will not save
time, but you may save some money.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
>
>> Yes. Do not pull too hard :-)
>>
>> Cat6 1/4" tolerances take a little longer than Cat5 1/2" tolerances.
>>
>> High ceilings and jump discontinuities require more time.
>>
>> For example, we did a 100,000 sq ft manufacturing plant that was 50
years old and had sections added over years. You may spend 4 hr on 1
drop in such an environment.
>>
>> However, the stated production rate holds true for jobs we have done
in Class A high rise office buildings with drop in ceilings.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
Behalf Of James Jones
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:25 AM
>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>
>> Do you have a rule of thumb for just pulling wire?
>>
>> jcj
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
>>> Includes termination at both ends, cable hangers and patch panel.
>>> Estimate would require adding setup time for small jobs and applies
>>> whether you use vi or emacs.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jim Ray, President
>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>
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>>>
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email
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
On
>>> Behalf Of James Jones
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:29 AM
>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Does that estimation include or exclude termination at each end?
>>>
>>> jcj
>>>
>>> On 1/7/10, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
>>>> We do managed services and may pull cables for our clients yet
aren't
>>>> really looking for that work. I was trying to help you manage your
>>>> expectations. The production rate of 1.3 hr per wire holds true in
>>>> environments with drop in ceilings that are low enough where a lift
>>> is
>>>> not required. So, 30 drops * 4 wires per drop * 1.3 hr per wire
>>> yields
>>>> 156 hours.
>>>>
>>>> So, I'm calling BS on your 3 hour estimate and hate to see anyone
get
>>>> ripped off or misled.
>>>>
>>>> Now, the first wiring job in this area I did in 1994 moving a
>>> business
>>>> from Zebulon to Knightdale took 3 hours for 5 PCs. For 120 wires?
Try
>>>> 156 hours for size. Pretty basic industrial engineering time study.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>>
>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
http://twitter.com/neuse
>>>>
>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
>>> email
>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
On
>>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:52 PM
>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 3 hrs for 30 drops? No way unless you are running multiple crews.
>>> You
>>>>> are looking closer to 120 hrs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not touch it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wow, business must be *really good* these days to turn down
business
>>>> without even talking to the client. Perhaps my estimate was off (I
>>>> don't do this everyday), but a little understanding would have gone
>>> much
>>>> farther.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, thanks for letting me know upfront you are not
>>> interested.
>>>> It makes finding the right vendor (for this job and the next) much
>>>> easier.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>>>
>>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
>>> http://twitter.com/neuse
>>>>>
>>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
>>>> email
>>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
>>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:15 AM
>>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>>> Subject: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of a good and reasonably-priced company that
>>> installs
>>>>> CAT-5 here in RTP? I have a buddy who is moving his business into
>>> a
>>>> new
>>>>> building, and we need to get CAT-5 installed in each office. The
>>>>> building is just a shell right now, so the installation is pretty
>>>> easy.
>>>>> Preferably, the company should be a certified installer as we have
>>> to
>>>>> pass inspection.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would do this myself, but we are looking at about 30 drops (4
>>> cables
>>>>> per drop) in the building which would take me much longer than
>>>>> necessary. An experienced set of guys should be able to finish
the
>>>> job
>>>>> in about 3hrs max. Depending on price, we may also get the
>>> installers
>>>>> to punch down all wires in the closet and make the necessary
>>>> wall-plate
>>>>> connections.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any pointers...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ron
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Thanks,
-Ron
rkelleyrtp at gmail.com
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