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Today's Topics:
1. Re: X-box (Michael S Czeiszperger)
2. Re: RedHat CD install hangs (Kevin Hunter)
3. Re: Re: X-box (Chris Merrill)
4. firewall books for 2.4 kernel (Christian J Hedemark)
5. fixed width font for editing (Donald Ball)
6. Re: firewall books for 2.4 kernel (Jon Carnes)
7. Re: Mandrake 8.1 installation--Part TWO--the problems!
accordingtoLockergnome's Penguin Shell (Sinner from the Prairy)
8. Re: Mandrake 8.1 installation--Part TWO--the
problems!accordingtoLockergnome's Penguin Shell (Sinner from the Prairy)
9. Re: Re: X-box (Sinner from the Prairy)
10. OT: Available again (Andrew C. Oliver)
11. Re: Mandrake 8.1 installation--Part TWO--theproblems!accordingtoLockergnome's Penguin Shell (al johson)
12. Re: Re: X-box (al johson)
13. Re: Re: XBox (al johson)
14. firewalls in Linux (al johson)
15. Re: firewalls in Linux (Jon Carnes)
16. Re: Re: X-box (John Beimler)
17. Re: Re: XBox (Robert L Martin)
18. Re: firewalls in Linux (al johson)
19. Re: firewalls in Linux (Christian J Hedemark)
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Message: 1
From: Michael S Czeiszperger <czei at webperformanceinc.com>
Organization: Web Performance Inc.
To: trilug at trilug.org
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:25:06 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Re: X-box
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
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> From: Chris Merrill <cmerrill at nc.rr.com>
> I must be missing something here...what, exactly, would be the point
> of putting Linux on an XBox (besides "because it's there")?? Could
> you still run the games on it? What else would you use it for?
> Does it have DSP hardware on it that could make it useful as a
> TiVo, for instance?
>
I wonder if there's an open source alternative to TiVo? I checked on
Freshmeat, and there's a couple of interesting projects, but nothing that
would reproduce the functionality of TiVO.
TiVO Linux 2.1.24 Kernel Mods
http://freshmeat.net/projects/tivosoftwaresourcecode/
Web Interface to TiVO Functionality
http://freshmeat.net/projects/tivoweb/
The only other remotely related project I found was the Open Meta Archive
http://freshmeat.net/projects/oma/
Its a multimedia database that could architecturally at least act as the
repository for video.
Coming up with a solution to duplicate TiVO's functionality would conceivable
require three parts:
1. Getting the TV schedule and figuring out what to record.
2. Getting the video digitized.
3. Storing the video and playing it back (a database)
I've got a video card that has a built-in TV receiver working with Video4Lin.
If we could just figure out how to get TV schedules from the internet,
perhaps by parsing the TVGuide or Yahoo sites, then storing and playing back
the video wouldn't be such a big deal.
- --
Michael S Czeiszperger
czei at webperformanceinc.com
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:34:07 -0500
From: "Kevin Hunter" <khunter at rhoworld.com>
To: trilug at trilug.org
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RedHat CD install hangs
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Thanks for all the help. I downloaded the iso files and installed
from my hard drive. I'll make sure to use the hdparm -d0 /dev/hdx
b/f mounting any cd's.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 11/16/2001 at 2:51 AM Ken Wahl wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 10:03:45PM -0500, Brent Fox wrote:
>> On Thursday 15 November 2001 02:58 pm, Kevin Hunter wrote:
>> > I was able to install linux on to a test machine earlier by
booting
>> > off the RedHat CD. The cdrom drive was on it's own ide channel
w/ a
>> > std ide cable. Now I want to re-install to a new drive but I
have
>> > moved the cdrom to the slave of the primary ide ( ultra dma )
channel
>> > and it's hooked up via an ata100 cable. I can still boot off
the cd,
>> > but it hangs after selection of the install type ( custom ).
>> >
>>
>> When you say "hangs," exactly what do you mean? Does it crash and
>display
>> debugging information, or does it just sit there? If it just
hangs
>without
>> crashing, press <Ctrl><Alt><F4> and see if there are any kernel
output
>> messages relating to the cdrom?
>>
>> Also, try booting the installer with 'linux ide=nodma' instead of
'linux
>> ide1=nodma'. Does that help at all?
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
>See http://www.exocore.com/linux/rhl71dma/
>
>Booting with the 'linux ide=nodma' as Brent pointed out is the
suggested
>fix.
>
>It suggests later in the document to add hdparm -d0 /dev/hdx to your
>rc.sysinit to fix the problem permenantly but this didn't work for
me
>and I have to give the hdparm command before accessing the cdrom
each time.
>
>I'm working with old hardware so hopefully you'll have better
results.
>
>Good luck,
>--
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Message: 3
From: Chris Merrill <cmerrill at nc.rr.com>
To: trilug at trilug.org
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: X-box
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:03:54 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Michael S Czeiszperger said:
> Coming up with a solution to duplicate TiVO's functionality would
> conceivable require three parts:
>
> 1. Getting the TV schedule and figuring out what to record.
> 2. Getting the video digitized.
> 3. Storing the video and playing it back (a database)
4. Building and overlaying a GUI onto the video output
*********************************
Chris Merrill
cmerrill at nc.rr.com
*********************************
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Message: 4
From: "Christian J Hedemark" <chris at yonderway.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:14:20 -0500
Organization: http://yonderway.com
Subject: [TriLUG] firewall books for 2.4 kernel
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Howdy folks,
I plan on setting up a fairly complex series of firewalls with VPN soon for
a client and find that my documentation is a bit outdated. I went to B&N
and found all of their firewall books were on the pre-2.4 kernels. Does
anyone know of any good dead tree edition docs available yet for the 2.4
series firewall?
Thanks,
Chris
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:19:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Donald Ball <balld at webslingerZ.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Subject: [TriLUG] fixed width font for editing
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
i'm a diehard vim junkie. all i use X windows for is running rxvt's for
vim and mozilla or konqueror. and pine. anyway, lately, i've become
dissatisfied with the fixed width font that rxvt defaults to in
mandrake-8.1. font handling in X windows has always been a murky, scary
thing that i try to avoid. can anyone help me find a better font and
configure rxvt to use it? i'd like to know how to get a list of fixed
width fonts installed on my system, how to get the font strings for them,
and if anyone has any specific font recommendations. thanks.
- donald
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Message: 6
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] firewall books for 2.4 kernel
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:45:53 -0500
Organization: Jon Carnes
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
I haven't seen any new books, but the HOW-TO is outstanding. With the 2.4
kernel you can setup a VPN with 2 lines of code and some routing.
IMO, you should stick to using ipchains for the firewalling. I haven't
played with the iptables on a newer kernel, but the default that ships with
RH seems to have memory leaks (or other bugs).
Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian J Hedemark" <chris at yonderway.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: [TriLUG] firewall books for 2.4 kernel
> Howdy folks,
>
> I plan on setting up a fairly complex series of firewalls with VPN soon
for
> a client and find that my documentation is a bit outdated. I went to B&N
> and found all of their firewall books were on the pre-2.4 kernels. Does
> anyone know of any good dead tree edition docs available yet for the 2.4
> series firewall?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 7
From: "Sinner from the Prairy" <sinner_prairy at hotmail.com>
To: trilug at trilug.org
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Mandrake 8.1 installation--Part TWO--the problems!
accordingtoLockergnome's Penguin Shell
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:47:44 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
>From: Tanner Lovelace <lovelace at wayfarer.org>
>Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
>>You can select automount form start only if yous elect expert install.
>>But it is not worth it. Too many troubles. I installed and, aftera
>>week, I unistalled.
>Actually, automount and supermount, I believe, are two different
>things. (...)
>Supermount, on the other hand, is a kernel patch.
(...)
Yes, you are very right.
The Kernel patch option is available on Mandrake 8.1 only and only if you do
an expert install. But I ended getting mad at it. So I went back to no
supermount /automount after being spoiled since 7.2 ...
>Bona Nit,
!!!!
>Tanner
>P.S. Sinner, ?De que` part de Catalunya ve'ns?
De Lleida, a prop de Barcelona
>(I apologize in advance if the Catalan is messed up.
>Sol parlo una mica de catala`. :-)
Tot hom parla el que pot.
Who are you? I do not recall you from TriLug meetings. Are you an
Internetworker as well? It would be nice if we can get in touch. So I will
learn how did *you* learnt Catalan. :)
Salut,
Sinner
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Message: 8
From: "Sinner from the Prairy" <sinner_prairy at hotmail.com>
To: trilug at trilug.org
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Mandrake 8.1 installation--Part TWO--the
problems!accordingtoLockergnome's Penguin Shell
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:51:16 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
>From: "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
>If I'm interested in getting the "fixed Supermount" where would I go to
>download it when it's available??
You want to check the website http://www.pclinuxonline.com and the newsgroup
alt.os.linux.mandrake (linux-mandrake ??) .
They are the source of lore for Mandrake knowledge. Textar (the Texan guy
behind PCLinuxOnLine), has a FTP server where he uploads patched kernels,
special sanitized Cooker stuff and othe fun bits of Mandrakellianism (?) ,
like an speed-up version of KDE 2.2.1, really recent Kernels with
interesting patches (probably with supermount patch).
Check it out.
Salut,
Sinner
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Message: 9
From: "Sinner from the Prairy" <sinner_prairy at hotmail.com>
To: trilug at trilug.org
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: X-box
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:56:28 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
>From: Michael S Czeiszperger <czei at webperformanceinc.com>
>I wonder if there's an open source alternative to TiVo? I checked on
>Freshmeat, and there's a couple of interesting projects, but nothing that
>would reproduce the functionality of TiVO.
I remember a project called "Route 66" by Maximum Linux. they got a Linux
MP3 server/player for your car, with nifty LED screens and all kind of
goodies. IIRC, they were working on a stream-meadia server for home
(Route66++ ??), based on Route 66.
A few hacks, and you can do a [Route66++ &&Tivo mod.] == [icr]Route66(TV) ??
Salut,
Sinner
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Message: 10
From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver at nc.rr.com>
To: trilug <trilug at trilug.org>
Date: 16 Nov 2001 18:16:48 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: Available again
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Hi Everyone,
I'm still riding up and down the waves of the economic downturn.
I'm a Java (4 yrs) developer (6 yrs) who once upon a time knew C/C++
(bit rusty by now). I once knew *cough* VB *cough* <duck> and Assembler.
I know Linux best, Solaris second, HPUX fourth and *cough* Windows
*cough* <duck>. I of course know the Linux "musts": shell scripting and
PERL.
Java experience includes mostly server side, EJB, JSP, Servlets, J2EE,
RMI, etc. I'm not really a graphic designer type, so my skills don't
really touch in the aesthetic arenas.
I'm good with UML. I'm working on being better. I recently took the
$1300/pop Requirements Management with Use Cases course from Rational.
I'm looking for something that at least has some hope of being stable.
I'm hoping for something more architecture based software in an
organization with a desire to produce quality. I prefer to stay busy
during business hours and will probably endlessly bug my superior for
more work in the event I don't have enough to keep me busy. On the
other hand I would like to see my family from time to time.
I'm strongly motivated and self motivated to iteratively create better
and better software.
You can catch my resume at:
www.superlinksoftware.com/cocoon/andy/resume.xml?src=lug
Additionally, if anyone has some "odd jobs" or side work available, I am
already actively engaged in that. I'm always in need of more.
If you would like code samples you can check out the POI project listed
on my taglines. This is a project hoping to become part of the Apache
Cocoon project. Once finished it will allow you to create fully styled
XLS (M$ Excel) compatible spreadsheets complete with formulas using
either the java API or XML (via a Cocoon2 Serializer.) What is there
now: POIFS of which I spec'd the requirements out for and Marc Johnson
authored, HSSF conceptual prototype - which I've written (its nearly
done with its first full iteration - already can generate/read/modify
basic XLS files). The Serializer will be started soon. Quite a few
docs and diagrams. (Excuse the format of the model, ArgoUML is not
quite baked yet and doesn't really let you structure models very nicely)
Thanks,
Andy
--
www.superlinksoftware.com
www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html
- fix java generics!
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
vote.
-Ambassador Kosh
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Message: 11
From: "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Mandrake 8.1 installation--Part TWO--theproblems!accordingtoLockergnome's Penguin Shell
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:29:43 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Thanks again. I'm in your debt!!
--AL
===========
----- Original Message -----
From: Sinner from the Prairy <sinner_prairy at hotmail.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Mandrake 8.1 installation--Part
TWO--theproblems!accordingtoLockergnome's Penguin Shell
> >From: "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
>
> >If I'm interested in getting the "fixed Supermount" where would I go to
> >download it when it's available??
>
>
> You want to check the website http://www.pclinuxonline.com and the
newsgroup
> alt.os.linux.mandrake (linux-mandrake ??) .
>
> They are the source of lore for Mandrake knowledge. Textar (the Texan guy
> behind PCLinuxOnLine), has a FTP server where he uploads patched kernels,
> special sanitized Cooker stuff and othe fun bits of Mandrakellianism (?) ,
> like an speed-up version of KDE 2.2.1, really recent Kernels with
> interesting patches (probably with supermount patch).
>
> Check it out.
>
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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Message: 12
From: "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: X-box
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:02:06 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
I'm mystified that these boxes don't just use the VCR+ system of entering
programming info. It's available in every TV Guide and newspaper TV listing
FREE (Oh, I know why--They couldn't make more money by doing it that way,
instead they chose the Microsoft way--RENT THE LISTINGS!! with a fee that
will actually make the rental fees exceed the cost of the TI-VO!! They ought
to just give the things away so they'll make even more money from the
general public (hackers excluded :-))
==========================
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Merrill <cmerrill at nc.rr.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: X-box
> Michael S Czeiszperger said:
> > Coming up with a solution to duplicate TiVO's functionality would
> > conceivable require three parts:
> >
> > 1. Getting the TV schedule and figuring out what to record.
> > 2. Getting the video digitized.
> > 3. Storing the video and playing it back (a database)
>
> 4. Building and overlaying a GUI onto the video output
>
> *********************************
> Chris Merrill
> cmerrill at nc.rr.com
> *********************************
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
From: "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: XBox
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:06:15 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Just goes to show that expensive junk in America always drives out great
cheap stuff. You never really "get what you pay for"!! And if anyone tells
you that you can be sure he's about to rob you!! The Linux OS is the proof
that "the best things in life are free!!"
========================
----- Original Message -----
From: Marty Ferguson <marty.ferguson at pobox.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: XBox
> At $50. per game, that's why M$ is willing to loose $200 per box.
>
> I really don't think that it's going to take substantial sales numbers
> to provide evidence to attract game developers to target the Xbox.
>
> If M$ builds it, they will come.
>
> Marty
>
> =================
> On Friday 16 November 2001 01:51, you wrote:
> > I agree, buy yourself a Sony Playstation 2--at least you'll get yourself
a
> > DVD player. Bought one for my son last year (was lucky enough to find
one
> > in Cary). I've played with it. Biggest problem is the high cost of the
> > games (ca. $50 each!). --AL
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Message: 14
From: "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:13:36 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] firewalls in Linux
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
I've noticed that all three of the various "strengths" of firewalls in
Mandrake-Linux positively prohibit newsgroup messages!! I'm approaching this
problem as a desktop user only. How do you protect your computer with a
firewall and still access newsgroups in USENET??? Or is this even possible??
I find this most curious considering the large number of LINUX newsgroups.
================
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Message: 15
From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Organization: AnnCons
To: trilug at trilug.org, "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] firewalls in Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:02:30 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Open up tcp port 119 and ride the waves of nntp...
On Friday 16 November 2001 19:13, al johson wrote:
> I've noticed that all three of the various "strengths" of firewalls in
> Mandrake-Linux positively prohibit newsgroup messages!! I'm approaching
> this problem as a desktop user only. How do you protect your computer
> with a firewall and still access newsgroups in USENET??? Or is this even
> possible?? I find this most curious considering the large number of LINUX
> newsgroups. ================
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:22:15 -0500
To: trilug at trilug.org
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: X-box
From: john at radiomind.com (John Beimler)
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
begin quotation from al johson <alfjon at mindspring.com> [on 011116 19:14]::
> I'm mystified that these boxes don't just use the VCR+ system of entering
> programming info. It's available in every TV Guide and newspaper TV listing
> FREE (Oh, I know why--They couldn't make more money by doing it that way,
> instead they chose the Microsoft way--RENT THE LISTINGS!! with a fee that
> will actually make the rental fees exceed the cost of the TI-VO!! They ought
> to just give the things away so they'll make even more money from the
> general public (hackers excluded :-))
Theres another reason, VCR plus codes are kept a trade secret, and people
that originally figured them out in the early 90's got threatened with legal
action. Theres some pattent issues involved too. Heres some links..
http://curtwelch.com/projects.html
and question 8.16 here: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cryptography-faq/part08/
Peace.
john
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:52:59 -0500
From: Robert L Martin <robertlmarti at earthlink.net>
To: trilug at trilug.org
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Re: XBox
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html
is eric raymond's version and he is the keeper editor home of the jargon
file. last updated june 29, 2001
so that anybody knows of only me and esr are current (he defining
current)
bizarre!
--
Robert LaurenceMartin
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Message: 18
From: "al johson" <alfjon at mindspring.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] firewalls in Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 03:25:50 -0500
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
OK, the question now is: How do I do that?? I know what a port is, I just
need the commands and where to enter them.--AL
===================
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>; al johson <alfjon at mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] firewalls in Linux
> Open up tcp port 119 and ride the waves of nntp...
>
> On Friday 16 November 2001 19:13, al johson wrote:
> > I've noticed that all three of the various "strengths" of firewalls in
> > Mandrake-Linux positively prohibit newsgroup messages!! I'm approaching
> > this problem as a desktop user only. How do you protect your computer
> > with a firewall and still access newsgroups in USENET??? Or is this even
> > possible?? I find this most curious considering the large number of
LINUX
> > newsgroups. ================
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TriLUG mailing list
> > http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 19
From: "Christian J Hedemark" <chris at yonderway.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] firewalls in Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 09:41:29 -0500
Organization: http://yonderway.com
Reply-To: trilug at trilug.org
Sort of answering my own question here, but the latest issue of Sys Admin
just arrived and this looks like a good one. Lots of stuff on
Netfiler/iptables and also lots of Kerberos stuff this month. This magazine
pays for the whole year's subscription with just one issue like this.
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