[TriLUG] Why the hate/dislike for systemd?

[John Vaughters via TriLUG]

Lee,
For me it truly does not matter  whether I like it or not. I have to use it because technology is moving forward where I work, which is exaclty why I use fedora, to get sneak peaks of what is coming and hopefully to help in bug reports. As for my preference, I was extremely comfortable with init system and I still love the simplicity. However, systemd is here and once I got over the irritation of who stole my cheese and decided to move the milk carton where I found the chees again, I am now full of cheese breath and plenty happy. Sorry for the bad analogy, but at the end of the day, for me, it is a non-issue with a preference for init.
I think some of the anger is coming from failures of systemd, which may be out of my skill level. I generally do not compile standard software and use as much standard packages as possible, with compilation being limited to my own code. This combination has worked great for me and I have no issues that systemd has caused. I could definitely see how highly customized systems going through an upgrade from init to systemd could cause many problems, I have never seen that becasue as stated in the other thread I start from scratch on major releases, because I have found it to be educational on the new systems and less destructive on upgrades, with the added bonus of forcing me to house clean. 
I do understand the frustration level though.
John Vaughters 


     On Thursday, July 16, 2015 8:59 AM, Lee Fickenscher via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
   

 The "Recommendations for a systemd-less Linux distribution
<http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/trilug/Week-of-Mon-20150713/074201.html>"
thread has me wondering why people don't like systemd. I'm not trying to
bash anyone in that thread or attack anyone for their stance. This is
purely for my own edification.

I read/skimmed http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page but that
came off like a lot of rhetoric and FUD and seemed to have little substance
that I could find.

I've seen arguments that it isn't *nix-like but that seems incorrect as
systemd appears to be more of a framework of separate executables than a
single monolithic application. IMHO, that fits well into the
toolbox-mentality.

Concerns about stability were mentioned, but I'm running systems that use
systemd that are rock-solid, so that would imply to me that it isn't
specifically a systemd issue.

Some other comments/concerns seemed to be a rally cry against change, which
seems ironic in the computer field.

Does anyone have any concrete reasons why systemd is bad? If so, I'd
honestly love to hear them.
If it is just a matter of opinion and people just don't like it, that's
cool too.
I'd just like to know into which bucket it falls.

Thanks!
-Lee
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