[TriLUG] A sad comment on our culture

[Ken MacKenzie via TriLUG]

Shades of grey of course apply.  But if in a professional context or a
context where you wish to be remarked upon for your professional skill I
think erring on the side of caution in your language is a better bet.

I like to tell people that the best way to handle someone who is displaying
intolerable behavior is to imagine that today is the worst day of their
lives.

Ken

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Matt Whitlow <
matt.church.whitlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't disagree Ken, I am just making the point of when is someone taking
> it too far or when is someone being thin skinned. It's something that is
> hard to gauge without seeing the full interaction.
> On Oct 12, 2015 12:21 PM, "Ken MacKenzie" <ken at mack-z.com> wrote:
>
>> I think context is important.  As someone who can be a tad off color and
>> worse, depending on the setting I get it.  Thick skin is important.
>>
>> But a troll is a troll.
>>
>> As much as I can drop an F bomb with ease (I mean I am from NJ).  I
>> consider it a sign of intellectual failure to depend on such things to
>> express yourself.
>>
>> As a part of the language they are used for emphasis.  Using them all the
>> time is like all caps with an  exclamation point on every sentence.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Whitlow via TriLUG <
>> trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
>>
>>> That brings to question are epithets wrong to use, I do not think they
>>> are
>>> so to me it's not a big deal, that comes to a point where culture and
>>> persons sensibility come into question, some people find the way others
>>> speak offensive, do you restrict the person speaking or tell the other
>>> person not to be offended, and where do you draw the line either way.
>>> That
>>> is not a discussion that is easily pursued.
>>> On Oct 12, 2015 12:07 PM, "William Sutton" <william at trilug.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > You can be honest and direct without being insulting.  Telling someone
>>> > "the foobaz method is O(n)^2 inefficient and is better written thusly"
>>> is
>>> > one thing.  Telling someone "you're an incompetent schmuck and should
>>> stick
>>> > to knitting" is off base.  Telling Kay Sievers that his commit
>>> privileges
>>> > have been revoked is probably reasonable.  Dropping F-bombs about it
>>> isn't.
>>> >
>>> > FWIW.
>>> >
>>> > William Sutton
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2015, Matt Whitlow via TriLUG wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I get that their are other ways it can work, for me I can't work in a
>>> >> environment that isn't brutally honest, I don't improve and don't
>>> preform
>>> >> to my best. But I can only speak for myself.
>>> >> On Oct 12, 2015 12:00 PM, "Nikolas Everett" <nik9000 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Matt Whitlow via TriLUG <
>>> >>> trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>> kernel development is known to be a harsh, brutal, and unforgiving
>>> >>>> community but it lowers the chance of bad code getting into the
>>> >>>> community
>>> >>>> when you aren't afraid to question someone's code.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It *does* work but its not the only thing that works. I've worked in
>>> >>> environments that don't put up with brutal comments but still
>>> maintain
>>> >>> quality and that worked. You can totally question people's code and
>>> be
>>> >>> nice
>>> >>> about it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But, again, it works for the kernel. I'd never contribute to the
>>> kernel
>>> >>> anyway because I'm not a good C developer but I'd doubly never
>>> contribute
>>> >>> because I don't need the extra stress. They can alienate who they
>>> like so
>>> >>> long as the project is still healthy. More people for the healthy
>>> >>> communities then.
>>> >>>
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