[TriLUG] ATT gigabit internet quick review

Sun Dec 4 23:23:36 EST 2016

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:58:51 -0500
Wes Garrison <wes at xitechusa.com> wrote:

> I've never had Charter or TWC mess with DNS, but anything's possible
> nowadays.
> 

There is a line though, and if people choose to cross that line, then
they have to also be honest about their services and what they offer.

For example, some people may be very comfortable letting their aged
parental unit use an Intranet but others may want to know that they
have a free and open Internet.

I guess consumers need to force companies to label their network
products correctly?

You cannot advertise puppies and then go and supply kittens.
(do we have to worry any longer about political correctness? 
in case we  do: you also cannot advertise kittens and supply puppies)

I think this issue is far more important than people understand or care
- but as you said, keyword: nowadays - no one cares until they do, and
then it matters no longer as nothing can be done anyway

To guys like us right now, it matters not much, for now... 
(we can setup quagga, run our own dns on any unfiltered port, etc - it
is only when they mess further with the layers or start inspecting
packets on all ports that we will actually start complaining - then of
course, it will no longer matter)

Andre 

> _________________________________
> Wesley S. Garrison
> Network Engineer
> Xitech Communications, Inc.
> phone:  (919) 260-0803
> fax:       (919) 932-5051
> __________________________________
> "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from email."
> 
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:56 PM, ac <ac at main.me> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:45:47 -0500
> > Wes Garrison <wes at xitechusa.com> wrote:
> > > AC,
> > > Time Warner, Inc. the media company is not Time Warner Cable.
> > > AT&T is buying Time Warner, Inc.  (Turner networks like TNT, TBS,
> > > CNN, etc. and HBO and Showtime).
> > > Time Warner Cable and Brighthouse were bought by Charter earlier
> > > this year.
> > > Everyone on this mailing list should read ArsTechnica.com daily.
> > > Seriously.  It's written for folks like us.
> > > -Wes
> > >
> >
> > COOL! thank you for that :)
> >
> > Hmm, Brighthouse bought by Charter...
> >
> > This does still beg the question, DoesCharter supply Internet
> > (like Brighthouse does (for now)
> >
> > or Intranet?  (falsely branded as Internet? like ATT)
> >
> > Andre
> >
> >
> >
> > > _________________________________
> > > Wesley S. Garrison
> > > Network Engineer
> > > Xitech Communications, Inc.
> > > phone:  (919) 260-0803
> > > fax:       (919) 932-5051
> > > __________________________________
> > > "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from email."
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:15 PM, ac via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 22:00:22 +0000
> > > > "Rogers, Matthew via TriLUG" <trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
> > > > > You can set a device in dmz plus mode which is basically a
> > > > > bridge mode.  I do this and run my own router and domain
> > > > > controller with dhcp/DNS etc.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > For normal users though, ATT forcing only their own DNS servers
> > > > means that the ATT service is not an "Internet" but an
> > > > "Intranet" as ATT also answers for non registered (or not yet
> > > > registered) domains, they can also decide to answer anything in
> > > > any way they choose and normal users would not know.
> > > >
> > > > For example they could answer questions for
> > > > insert-name-here.com as att.com, or just say "not found" -
> > > > normal users would be clueless.
> > > >
> > > > When providers interfere and control the Internet egress to this
> > > > degree
> > > > - it is no longer an 'internet' (its like the Intranet in China
> > > > where users also have to do some interesting routing to be able
> > > > to have some temporary privacy)
> > > >
> > > > Main reason I am asking is that Brighthouse (Time Warner) is now
> > > > also ATT and T Warner supplies actual/real Internet, so
> > > > wondering if that is gonna change with the next router update,
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Matthew Rogers | Senior Security Manager
> > > > > Allscripts | 8529 Six Forks Road | Raleigh, NC |
> > > > > 27615<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1>
> > > > >
> > > > > 919.691.4636<tel:919.691.4636> | M
> > > > > 919.329.1130<tel:919.329.1130> | D
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > matthew.rogers2 at allscripts.com<mailto:matthew.rogers2 at allscripts.com
> > >
> > > > > | www.allscripts.com<http://www.allscripts.com/> Corporate
> > > > > Headquarters l 222 Merchandise Mart
> > > > > Plaza<x-apple-data-detectors://5> l 20th Floor l Chicago, IL l
> > > > > 60654
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Joseph Mack NA3T via TriLUG
> > > > > <trilug at trilug.org<mailto:trilug at trilug.org>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2016, Scott Miller via TriLUG wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The modem/router device is a Pace 5268AC. The firmware is a
> > > > > custom ATT firmware which locks things down quite a bit.
> > > > > There is no bridge mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > is this no bridge mode, or bridge not supported? ie it's
> > > > > technically possible and they do provide it but if you get
> > > > > into trouble they're not going to help you.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm currently with Frontier and have bridge mode because I
> > > > > found the right techie one day. However no-one I can find now
> > > > > at Frontier will acknowledge that it's possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
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