rhce-log-030212.txt

-!- Channel #trilug-rhce created Wed Feb 5 19:49:24 2003 < SinnerP> date <@jeremyp> hey mike < sweeper> hello < Tribot> privet, sweeper < SinnerP> $ date < SinnerP> Wed Feb 12 20:11:03 EST 2003 <@jeremyp> Tribot: sweeper is MIke Broome <@jeremyp> Tribot: no, sweeper is Mike Broome < Tribot> okay, jeremyp. < SinnerP> hi there < SinnerP> when are we meant to start this meeting? < cerient> ok, i've got a topic: < JonC> >>BANG<< >>BANG<< lets call this meeting to order < cerient> why does my ntp daemon stop working every few days? < cerient> and lose the time? < SinnerP> cerient: tempora fugits? -!- sholton [~sholton@sdn-ar-012ncraleP286.dialsprint.net] has joined #trilug-rhce < cerient> SinnerP: ??? < jimstigator> man, Sinner's on a roll < sholton> greets <@jeremyp> cerient: a server? Or a computer that reboots, like a laptop or dual-boot ? < JonC> Put a cron job in to make sure it's running every hour <@jeremyp> sholton: hey.. what's your real name? < sweeper> anything in the logs about it exiting? < cerient> server, never reboots < sholton> Steve Holton < JonC> I've seen NTP stop when the time values vary too much during one session <@jeremyp> Tribot: sholton is Steve Holton < cerient> i could cron it but why is it necessary? < sweeper> hey, this is lisa, but just for second. the topic for tonight was supposed to be discussing < sweeper> sinner's update of the syllabus, but since i didn't get the notes < SinnerP> cerient: time disapears < cerient> SinnerP: thanks :-) < sweeper> typed up and sent out, that wasn't obvious. mea culpa. i still think it's a good topic! <@jeremyp> Lisa, yeah , +1 < SinnerP> sweeper: no prob < sweeper> i'm slammed at work this week - will try to get the notes in ASAP. (they're at my desk, which i haven't seen in 4 days because i've been trapped in our datacenter. < sweeper> we now return you to your regularly scheduled mike... * SinnerP has uploaded proposed and all syllabus. Check http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/ < SinnerP> Are you all there? < JonC> Were reading the sylb <@jeremyp> Yeah, it needs to say the meetings are Wed. from 8pm to 10pm though < cerient> <homer voice>can't talk, reading < SinnerP> jeremyp: ok <@jeremyp> SinnerP: #4 can remove linuxconf, but substitute overview of the redhat-config-* tools <@jeremyp> We didn't do the 'Conscripting of "volunteers" to lead each session.' part yet, so I assume we're gonna figure that out tonight ? < SinnerP> jeremyp: yessir < JonC> A lot of folks are using webmin does the RHCE cover that? <@jeremyp> No Red Hat does not recognize the existence of webmin (NIH syndrome) < SinnerP> JonC: AFAIK, webmin is out of RedHat distros. < cerient> too much of a crutch anyway (webmin) -!- ovrclokd [~lisa@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < SinnerP> jeremyp: define NIH sundrome < ovrclokd> hi there... < SinnerP> howdy ovrclokd < cerient> i'll volunteer to lead the first session (hardware) < JonC> Interesting... I set up most of clients with webmin type services < ovrclokd> this is lisa - mike got tired of me shoulder-surfing.. :) <@jeremyp> Not-Invented-Here syndrome. The desire to reinvent the wheel instead of modifying others programs <@jeremyp> Tribot: ovrclokd is Lisa Lorenzin < cerient> i like webmin too, but it ain't gonna help you pass the test <@jeremyp> Nothing wrong with webmin, I was just pointing out why it's not relevant for RHCE < SinnerP> JonC: me too < SinnerP> thaks jeremyp < sholton> we may need to update the class format. Currently we have some instructions and some labs. We probably need to redefine this as labs when we meet, instruction on IRC. < SinnerP> sholton: truw < SinnerP> true < ovrclokd> exit * ovrclokd blushes < ovrclokd> oops, wrong window... <@jeremyp> sholton: my understanding is that all of the 'meetings' on the list refer to in-person meetings, and that the IRC meetings are on the in-between weeks, right? <@jeremyp> ovrclokd: no problem, we don't want you quitting anyway :) < sweeper> has anyone (the last group?) used this syllabus to take and/or pass the RHCE? * SinnerP has just uploaded some changes to the page < sweeper> do we know if it tracks well with the actual test? -!- lsc21 [~louis@durham-ar1-4-64-254-010.durham.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #trilug-rhce < sweeper> I know there's RHCE info at http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/courses/, but I haven't looked at it much, yet < sholton> best we can know is if it tracks well with the published recommendations. < sweeper> 'k. anybody know that? (I don't :) < sholton> but I'll agree it would be nice to have something better than just "matches the web page..." < SinnerP> I presented a pritned page on kick-off meeting < SinnerP> let's review it -!- slundgren [~scottl@user-0c8hf2r.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #trilug-rhce < SinnerP> http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/courses/rhce_content.html < SinnerP> and < SinnerP> http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/courses/rh300_prereq.html <@jeremyp> Yeah that's the important page. That and the "RH300 prereq" page at .. err, never mind <@jeremyp> SinnerP is too fast for me! < sholton> he cheats... < SinnerP> not really < SinnerP> I type fast ...w/o spell checker < sweeper> now, we're talkin'. these look like what I had in mind. < SinnerP> it looks like the rhce_content is more like a syllabus < JonC> Should we just go down the list of the rhce_content page? < SinnerP> the rhce_prereq is more like "things to know before medling in the affair of BOFHs" < SinnerP> JonC: +1 <@jeremyp> JonC: well the pages we did *ARE* based on that outline <@jeremyp> Not a coincidence :) < JonC> What kind of question could they ask about "Hardware compatibility" < SinnerP> but not exactly true < sweeper> 'k. so it sounds like we are, in fact, on the right track. < sweeper> it's just a metter of splitting things up into classes and labs ... oh and the learning .. and we're go to go < SinnerP> Units 1 and 3 can go together. Reall < SinnerP> Really < SinnerP> as well as the Software RAID Configuration in Unit 4 < JonC> No. I think Unit 1 is important for its coverage of devices <@jeremyp> JonC: probably things like "don't expect winmodems to work easily" etc... -!- sholton1 [~sholton@sdn-ar-012ncraleP330.dialsprint.net] has joined #trilug-rhce < JonC> jeremyp: Ahh good point < SinnerP> most probably, "how do we know if a device is suported?" look on RH HW database < cerient> i'll volunteer to lead the lab to cover the hardware/installation stuff < SinnerP> and "expect really really new hardware to not being 100% supported" < JonC> Hypothetical: it works under windows, you want to move it over to RH where do you look for IO and IRQ settings <@jeremyp> SinnerP: yeah but the HW database is WAY out of date so I dunno the real-world validity of that answer < gmontag> or ide raid <@jeremyp> gmontag: yeah < SinnerP> RAID should be part of install class, as they are very tied together <@jeremyp> SinnerP: he meant IDE raid hardware like Promise cards < SinnerP> jeremyp: OK. LEt's say, then, "see kernel doc" < SinnerP> AFAIK, they are supported. OR aren't they? <@jeremyp> Yeah software raid is part of isntallation. I have a question -- is there anyone here who's never done a Red Hat Linux installation ? <@jeremyp> SinnerP: limited support IIRC, maybe it's improved. But probably not supported at a Red Hat level < SinnerP> ...REd Hat 8.0 instalaltion on x86 Hardware... < JonC> How about CPU and SMP support. I've never installed RH8.0 on an SMP server. Anything special aobut that? <@jeremyp> (can't install RHL 8 anywhere *but* x86, fyi) <@jeremyp> JonC: not really, other than you need an SMP kernel. Should be auto-detected. < cerient> JonC: nothing special, assuming the second cpu is detected. the bootloader will give two kernel options, UP and SMP <@jeremyp> It will install both UP and SMP kernels IIRC (called "linux" and "linux-up") -!- sholton [~sholton@sdn-ar-012ncraleP286.dialsprint.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] < sweeper> JonC: I installed on a dual-Pentium (P90 .. yeah, it's ancient) and didn't have to do anything to get SMP from the start < cerient> now UPGRADING from one cpu to two, that would be interesting... < SinnerP> JonC: SMP "just works" < JonC> What do you get when you do a "top" command <@jeremyp> But back to the question, can we assume that everyone has done a basic Red Hat Linux installation? < sholton1> cerient: ...but not likely to be on the test... <@jeremyp> So we all understand the general process? Or not ? < JonC> Anything special in the /proc from smp? < sweeper> cerient: that's just an upgrade to an SMP kernel, right? < SinnerP> JonC: usage on CPUs 0 and 1 <@jeremyp> JonC: /proc/cpuinfo < SinnerP> JonC: nothing wierd < cerient> i have a dualie here at my place, but it's too big and heavy to move to n raleigh <@jeremyp> sweeper: yes, all you need is to install an SMP kernel, then check /proc/cpuinfo to make sure it works < sholton1> basic, yes. but it's a critical skill (1/3 of test) so we should study it well. <@jeremyp> sholton1: understood. < SinnerP> sholton1: again, what is a 1/3 of the test? < lsc21> does the test cover http ftp nfs installs? < SinnerP> lsc21: it's a good thing to know <@jeremyp> lsc21: probably < JonC> I've heard rumours that it is heavy on kickstart < sholton1> installing RHL is 1/3 of the test. If you fudge that, it's game over. < cerient> i'm working on a customer project right now that involved kickstart, so i should be pretty good at it in a couple of weeks < SinnerP> JonC: kickstart is not that difficult to use < sholton1> If you can install well (quickly) you save time: more time for other stuff. < SinnerP> sholton1: ok. thanks < JonC> In fact someone who took the test told me that I had better know everything there is to know about Kickstart < SinnerP> JonC: there's a lot of undocumented stuff on kickstart < SinnerP> although reading a kickstart file is easy < cerient> kinda hard to study undocumented stuff isn't it :-) <@jeremyp> Kickstart is easy... look in /root/anaconda-ks.cfg to see a KS file based on your just-completed normal installation < SinnerP> cerient: yes. that's why I love/hate jeremy < JonC> cerient: falls in the realm of philosophy <@jeremyp> Also there's a graphical redhat-config-kickstart (or something similar) < SinnerP> that file has commented out the part about disk aprtitioning <@jeremyp> Here's another clue about the test. DON'T WORRY ABOUT UNDOCUMENTED STUFF! < sholton1> kickstart could be used as a core competency: not just "can you install apache" but "can you kickstart to an apache..." < sholton1> 2 birds, 1 stone < SinnerP> jeremyp: that utility only works from an already working RedHat system witha a GUI <@jeremyp> The official red hat linux documentation has got to be a great study guide. There's no way there will be "undocumented" stuff < SinnerP> exactly < SinnerP> the undocumented stuff are extra features, not needed in 99% of install acses <@jeremyp> $45 well spent from redhat.com to get the printed version < SinnerP> jeremyp: that's the cost of boxed RH 8.0? < cerient> WELL I'M GONNA COVER KICKSTART WHETHER OR NOT YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS WANT IT!!! < SinnerP> hehehe < cerient> ahhhhhhhhhh, i feel better < JonC> I've also heard rumour that there is stuff on the test that you can only learn via real world ... ie undocumented. <@jeremyp> SinnerP: no, the cost of the documentation. The boxed set only includes the install guide, not the full docs < sholton1> I guess that means you volunteer? < SinnerP> jeremyp: can you gfet the doc alone? <@jeremyp> JonC: not undocumented per se. Maybe stuff not directly on the outline that's real world, but I'll bet it's in those docs <@jeremyp> SinnerP: yes, that's the $45 I was talking about < SinnerP> like reading log files < SinnerP> ok jeremyp < cerient> i have box sets of rh72 and 73 professional, with books <@jeremyp> Oh, and yeah the professional version includes the full docs < sholton1> You know, there's a joke about undocumented: "What do you mean undocumented? it's OPEN SOURCE"... < SinnerP> cerient: how good are you into raid and LVM stuff? <@jeremyp> JonC: re: real-world stuff on the test, that's certainly the case from the RHCT that I took. Without violating NDA, I'll say that the folks who didn't have real-world failed on the very first exercise < JonC> New Hardware Detection - do you think it's simply kudzu or is this a favorite for the "fix the broken server" part < cerient> SinnerP: good but not great <@jeremyp> JonC: I'll bet that means dealing with kudzu mostly < SinnerP> JonC: new hardware: kudzu + know it's active + use isapnp tools (maybe) < SinnerP> cerient: ok. rememeber that I've been qa guy at rhl, if you need help < JonC> I'll have to brush up on my ISA.. < cerient> SinnerP: gracias amigo < SinnerP> JonC: me too. also, know about lspci, lsmod, modprobe and such <@jeremyp> Okay, but back to tonight's agenda. Jason is going to lead meeting 2, hw and isntallation. < JonC> RAID and LVM are pretty easy (at least coming from the Solaris side of unix) < SinnerP> JonC: have you dealt with LVM on RG 8.0? < SinnerP> RH 8.0 <@jeremyp> I'd say let's move printing to meeting 4 (maybe, though meeting 4 looks a bit heavy). I'll volunteer to lead meeting 4. < JonC> I did for a contract job, but I've also used it in earlier versions (had to muck with the kernel) <@jeremyp> SinnerP, JonC : let's stay on tonight's agenda for a little while, please ? < SinnerP> ok jeremyp < SinnerP> so < SinnerP> who is getting Class One? <@jeremyp> Class one already happenned < SinnerP> cerient seems to be voluntieering < cerient> looks like me < SinnerP> jeremyp: OK. Meeting 2 then < SinnerP> cerient: check out my page for a guide (last year's guide) < sholton1> there's an awful lot of bullets there. each one could be a lesson. <@jeremyp> sholton1: true but we've got to be fast-paced < SinnerP> sholton1: is not that bad. really < cerient> i'll fly thru my material so fast you won't even have time to write it down. or understand it. < SinnerP> cerient: what do you think for Meeting 2 use Units 1 & 3 + Software RAID? < SinnerP> sholton1: specially if we have the presentation on-line 2 days before the meeting < cerient> SinnerP: that sounds good to me < SinnerP> thus, we could break apart meeting 5 into 2 meetings (is mwaay more meaty) <@jeremyp> SinnerP: yeah, sounds good to me < SinnerP> sholton1: in previous RHCE classes, install &hardware goes by pretty fast < ovrclokd> sholton1: at the meeting last week, we were discussing that - whether to have presentation on irc or in realtime < SinnerP> Tribot: who is sholton1? < Tribot> no idea, sinnerp < ovrclokd> sholton1: i think the consensus was that realtime meetings would be presentation+lab, irc would be talking about questions / issues < ovrclokd> am i remembering correctly, guys? <@jeremyp> sholton1: try typing "/nick sholton" < ovrclokd> personally, i think having the presentation materials available ahead of time would make the realtime meetings go a lot faster... -!- sholton1 is now known as sholton < SinnerP> Tribot: who is sholton? < Tribot> well, sholton is Steve Holton < ovrclokd> but trying to present on irc involved a whole lotta typing (or cut-n-paste, even) <@jeremyp> ovrclokd: +1 from me. < SinnerP> ovrclokd: mee too <@jeremyp> then, after the meetings, the IRC session will be for further q&a + discussion. <@jeremyp> Hopefully people will try things out on their own real-world systems in order to generate questions etc. < SinnerP> sholton: what do you think? < sweeper> jeremyp: agreed - everyone should be trying to do some homework and trial & error outside of meetings < sholton> so, meet-up is "watch me", the week after is "do it yourself", and IRC is "what about....?" < SinnerP> sholton: realy, HW and install it ain't that bad. <@jeremyp> sholton: +1 < sweeper> sholton: that sounds about right. the weeks we get together and someone presents, there might be some hands on, but it'll mostly be "watch me". < ovrclokd> sholton: exactly. that way we get the chance to break it at home and then ask everybody about what we broke. :) < sholton> so we only really need one system at the meet-ups. That's good. < SinnerP> very < sweeper> sholton: the other weeks when we don't get together, we'll be trying on our own, and have an IRC meeting to discuss and ask < sholton> ovrclokd: well put. < SinnerP> and, maybe, change the syllabus, as needed < sweeper> ovrclokd: I know who I'll be asking first ;) < SinnerP> to suit us < ovrclokd> sweeper: don't you mean, you know who *i'll* be asking first? ;) <@jeremyp> okay so the general plan is then to do hw & installation next Wed, Feb 19th < sholton> Who's running the 19th meeting? <@jeremyp> and configuration & administration on Wed, March 5th ? <@jeremyp> sholton: Jason Tower aka cerient < sholton> k < cerient> i'm down with that < sweeper> [OT] irc question - what does "nick1 requested CTCP VERSION from nick2" mean? < SinnerP> jeremyp: OK, we'll work on the details of next presencial meeting after cerient's one <@jeremyp> sweeper: means soemone sent you a "client-to-client protocol" message asking what irc client version you're using < SinnerP> sweeper: someone is asking you something, at protoocl level <@jeremyp> SinnerP: fine; I volunteered for the config & admin meeting FYI < SinnerP> cool < sweeper> jeremyp: do I need to answer? or does the client do that for me? < SinnerP> jeremyp: and I assume that you are Jeremy Porter <@jeremyp> SinnerP: Portzer <@jeremyp> Tribot: who is jeremyp < Tribot> rumour has it jeremyp is Jeremy Portzer, Trilug Treasurer (mailto:jeremyp@pobox.com) < SinnerP> jeremyp: and I assume that you are Jeremy Portzer < SinnerP> treasurer? mmm,good <@jeremyp> sweeper: the client probably did it for you, though you can block it < SinnerP> sweeper: your client answers auto,and let's you know with that info message < sholton> SoSinnerP: obviously you've never been one... <@jeremyp> sweeper: try soemthing like "/ctcp ovrclokd VERSION" to see an example < sweeper> jeremyp: good client :) thanks for the recomendation < SinnerP> sholton: I mean, we can ask him for a loan < sholton> SinnerP: you can ask... < SinnerP> anyway < cerient> anyone have any special requests for next week's session? * SinnerP remembers something about getting at EclecticLAN by 7:30, to get a subway sandwich :) < SinnerP> cerient: get 2 HDDs and do some raid / lvm < SinnerP> and some ftp/nfs installs <@jeremyp> You can do pretend RAID or LVM with multiple partitions on one HDD * sweeper remembers something about chinese rather than subway, but 7:30 sounds right < cerient> i can probably scare up a couple of 2gb disks <@jeremyp> But we really need two computers to do an NFS or FTP install < gmontag> The chinese is good < SinnerP> chinese? really? < SinnerP> mmm < SinnerP> yum < gmontag> I have 2 computers here < cerient> and i'll bring a second workstation <@jeremyp> Yeah, +1 for chinese, +0 for subway < sholton> jeremyp: it can be done with one... < SinnerP> I can bring a light-weight PC < cerient> gmontag: yeah but your w/s suck as far as linux is concerned :-) <@jeremyp> um, duh, we can use a public mirror (or trilug) for teh ftp/http install < cerient> jeremyp: a little slow, that's why i brought a server the first time <@jeremyp> cerient: gotcha. Did you rsync the tree to that server? < SinnerP> I can set up a nfs server on the lightweight PC (10 GB hdd) < gmontag> I have 2 older boxes here < gmontag> run linux good < sholton> I'll try to bring my own box, but no networking. < cerient> jeremyp: no, but i copied the CD contents to the HD <@jeremyp> cerient: good enough < sweeper> jeremyp: did you say at the last meeting that you'd log thes irc sessions and webify 'em? < cerient> ready for nfs/ftp/http installation <@jeremyp> sweeper: I think I forgot to tell irssi to log this, oops < SinnerP> I'm kinda saving them * SinnerP is kinda saving a logfile(s) < sholton> SinnerP: thanks. < ovrclokd> good point jeremyp. for the next meeting, if you want to get food before the meeting, please show up early and be fed and ready to go at 8pm... < ovrclokd> rock is being nice and letting us come early - we may as well take full advantage of it. :) < sweeper> jeremyp: I have everything from when I signed on it the scrollback. if I can just pry it lose ... < cerient> i'll be there early fer sher * jeremyp agress with ovrclokd, let's meet for chinese at 7:15 or earlier if you want to do that <@jeremyp> sweeper: I do too, I just don't know if there's a command to save the scrollback history. There probably is. < SinnerP> do they take orders to go by phone? -!- lovelace [~lovelace@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce <@jeremyp> SinnerP: I'm sure they do. Pretty much all chinese places do. < gmontag> yes phone is < gmontag> 518-1063 < SinnerP> do they have a awebsite? to check out the menu <@jeremyp> All of these strip-mall chinese places have pretty much the same menu :) < ovrclokd> lovelace: hi there! :) <@jeremyp> You can probably just find the menu printer company's web site and use that :) < sholton> which is to say, anything that's not "just like every place else" won't be on the menu anyway. < ovrclokd> i have a capture of the whole thing. will put it up off my pages. sinnerp, do you mind if i link your new syllabus there, too? < SinnerP> ovrclokd: no prob <@jeremyp> sholton: right, sometimes they have special things, but that's the "chinese speakers" menu :) < SinnerP> ovrclokd: I'll re-do the syllabus a little more, to coverr all the http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/courses/rhce_content.html things < sholton> jeremyp: I've never cracked that encryption... < ovrclokd> sinnerp: no problem - i wasn't going to grab the html, just put a link to it. i'm going to replace < SinnerP> jeremyp: I can order beer in chinese, as well as chopsticks < SinnerP> ovrclokd: even better < ovrclokd> my current page, since it has the old syllabus, with an info page about when/where the meetings and irc chats are, <@jeremyp> SinnerP: and remember how we re-numbered the first few meetings? Meeting 2 = all hw & installation, meeting 3 = configuration & admin. < gmontag> name is handy chinese but I have never found a webpage with menu < ovrclokd> how the whole thing is organized, what we're doing for food, and a link to your syllabus... < SinnerP> ovrclokd: , jeremyp: OK. I'll do that < ovrclokd> one more question. any interest in trying to get / borrow a videocamera and tape the realtime sesssions? < ovrclokd> it'd make a good library, and be helpful for people who have to miss... but could be more bother than it's worth. thoughts? < sholton> too much distraction. < SinnerP> ovrclokd: are you trying to involve lovelace into this? <@jeremyp> I'm not terribly excited about that.. too much trouble < cerient> too much trouble < ovrclokd> sinnerp: yeah, but i was trying to be subtle about it. :) < JonC> +1 too much trouble < SinnerP> I look too fat on camera < ovrclokd> okay, just a thought. < sholton> Think how much of las meeting was spent trying to get n/w running, and we're all geeks. none of us is a speilburg. < gmontag> I have a camera here < ovrclokd> tribot, who is gmontag? < cerient> gmontag: don't encourage her! < Tribot> hmmm... gmontag is Rock Roskam. < SinnerP> gmontag: that's right * ovrclokd is incorrigible ;) < SinnerP> :) <@jeremyp> gmontag: do you have a projector or large screen or something, so that the computer doing the presentation/demo can be seen by all? < gmontag> No < gmontag> would like one < ovrclokd> mike and i have to sign off soon. anything else exciting / critical before we go? < sholton> alternately, we could VNCclient to a bunch od ws' < SinnerP> I thinks that's almost it < SinnerP> waut! < ovrclokd> sholton: +1 < sweeper> jeremyp: +1. I was thinking last meeting that an InFocus thingy would be great for this < SinnerP> wait! < SinnerP> what about getting a NIC each one? for LTSP purposes? < cerient> walt! < ovrclokd> sinnerp: ? < sweeper> sholton: +1 <@jeremyp> SinnerP: um, haven't we covered that ? < sweeper> Tribot: who is walt? < Tribot> sweeper: no idea < sweeper> :) < gmontag> I can install Tight VNC for windows < SinnerP> s/walt/wait < SinnerP> gmontag: that's true < cerient> woot! < sholton> no need, use the web interface < gmontag> still working on Network cards < SinnerP> doh! < gmontag> the broadcom cards fully support pxe * SinnerP never realizes that there really is some useful software for Win32... < cerient> remember, vnc only works on a running system <@jeremyp> -1 on the whole LTSP stuff. VNC or nothing will be fine. < cerient> won't have that during the install process < sholton> Let's keep the production equipment running for Rock, please. * ovrclokd agrees with jeremyp < SinnerP> cerient: we just need to run WinVNC for classes *after* install is completed < ovrclokd> we're all friends. we can crowd around. as long as everybody remembers deodorant, we'll be fine... < lovelace> ovrclokd: Hey. < cerient> running a vncserver is trivial, i'll handle that * lovelace remembers to look back into the channel < SinnerP> we can all peak over the shoulder on install class < JonC> We agreed that the labs would be for demo - not hands on. So no need for LTSP. but lots of fun < SinnerP> urpmi deodorant <@jeremyp> So to answer Lisa's question, anything else that needs to be figured out right now? <@jeremyp> Any volunteers for future sessions? < gmontag> I have Axe comming in < SinnerP> I guess not <@jeremyp> JonC: agreed that LTSP is fun and I want to do it sometime, but not here/now < SinnerP> jeremyp voluntiered for 3rd one (printing config and stff) < SinnerP> next sessions, let's do it after the next one, on IRC < sholton> sholton will wait in reserve to fill in (where others fear to tread...) < SinnerP> so < JonC> The best way to "learn" is to "teach" < SinnerP> we have agreed on topic for Meeting 2 < sholton> JonC: ++ < ovrclokd> i can split standard networking service with somebody... < SinnerP> cerient doing the HW & install & soft raid -!- LinuxLouis [~lsc21@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < SinnerP> we will use VNC, *not* LTSP < SinnerP> chinese/subway, if you are early/late < ovrclokd> that's a lot to cover in one evening. mike and i can take it, but might be good to try to split it out. < SinnerP> then, IRC session, where Q/A bout install/HW + fill teachers for next sessions <@jeremyp> ovrclokd: I think we agreed that by consolidating the hw/install to one meeting, we were splitting the networking services into two < SinnerP> ovrclokd: if it's too much, we can do a secnd session < cerient> networking has to be two < SinnerP> BTW < cerient> way too much for one < cerient> learned that last year < ovrclokd> okay, mike and i will each take a session. < SinnerP> next Monday, we all expect cerient to publish the class presentations on a website < cerient> ok < SinnerP> this will easy the meeting < cerient> bu ti won't be getting any style points < SinnerP> as we all must have read the presetnation < SinnerP> the day before < lovelace> So, pardon me if I'm slow, but when are the RHCE meetings? :-) < SinnerP> some wednesdays < sholton> you just missed one.. < sholton> :) < SinnerP> lovelace: check out (work in progress) http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/rhce.html < ovrclokd> lovelace: every other wednesday is realtime at 8pm at eclecticLAN < ovrclokd> the non-realtime wednesdays are here at 8pm < sweeper> lovelace: 8pm on Wednesdays, alternating meeting in person for presentations and meeting on irc or discussion/Q&A < ovrclokd> general idea is presenter posts their presentation on monday < ovrclokd> does a demo at the realtime meeting on wednesday < ovrclokd> we all go home and play with it on our own boxes for a week < sweeper> we < sweeper> we < ovrclokd> and then we meet on irc the next wednesday to commiserate :) < lovelace> Ah. Unfortunately, Wed doesn't work for me. :-( * lovelace has babysitting duty wed nights. < sweeper> note that we'll fudge the schedule to make sure to not have an in-person meeting the same week as TriLUG < SinnerP> does your kid like chinessse and LAN gamming? <@jeremyp> I think Bram's still a little young for LAN gaming, but ... :) < SinnerP> mmm < JonC> To bad we cant get a web-cam up and running for the labs < SinnerP> and < gmontag> I can put on tux paint and tux racer < SinnerP> remember to rpm -ivh deodorant < gmontag> I have a web cam setup < SinnerP> we'll be in close qurters < JonC> Can we broadcast the lab then? < cerient> wow rock, it sounds like you have everything < gmontag> We can try < cerient> EXCEPT COMPUTERS THAT WILL RUN LINUX!!! <grin> < lovelace> SinnerP: Kind of hard to have a 19 month old watch over himself. <gmontag> I am on one those machines now <JonC> I used to wear mine in a sling while I worked on the computer - worked great <SinnerP> 19 months old is almost old enough to play nick jr website's flash games <sholton> Pajama Sam? <JonC> I took each of my sons to work for a long time using the sling - it gave my wife a real break <sweeper> ciao. see y'all next week <SinnerP> cia * sweeper has to go watch West Wing <SinnerP> o <lovelace> JonC: He's a bit big for a sling right now. :-/ <jeremyp> ovrclokd: y'all don't have a Tivo? :) <lovelace> jeremyp: they do <SinnerP> TiVo? get a Shuttle XPC with Linux :) <JonC> Oh yeah, 19months - try the jump-up thingy that goes in the doorway <JonC> My youngest loved that thing till he got too big to fit in it. * SinnerP believes that the RHCE meeting is over <JonC> OT: hay what OS do they have in the new Honda's <jeremyp> SinnerP: looks that way. 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