rhce-log-030312.txt

-!- ovrclokd [~lisa@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce -!- Topic for #trilug-rhce: "TriLUG RHCE Study Group - Next Meeting Wed Mar 5th, 8pm, online right here" -!- Topic set by RedWolfe [] [Wed Mar 5 20:02:32 2003] [Users #trilug-rhce] [@ChanServ] [ jimstigator] [ ovrclokd] [ sweeper] [ jeremyp ] [ lovelace ] [ Sinner_ ] -!- Irssi: #trilug-rhce: Total of 7 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal] -!- Channel #trilug-rhce created Wed Feb 5 19:49:24 2003 -!- Irssi: Join to #trilug-rhce was synced in 1 secs < ovrclokd> hello all! < sweeper> ovrclokd: hello! < Sinner_> hello sweeper and ovrclokd -!- ccw [~ccw@durham-ar1-4-64-251-166.durham.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #trilug-rhce < Sinner_> hi ccw < ccw> ccw waves hello < ccw> ccw is trying to remember what the topic is for today ... < Sinner_> an advance for next weeks class < Sinner_> Configuration and Administration -!- RedWolfe [~ggw@durham-ar1-4-64-251-166.durham.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #trilug-rhce < Sinner_> Mar, 12, 2003. On IRC, By Jeremy Portzer (just the day before TriLUG's meeting) < Sinner_> As the upcoming talk covers a lot of areas, we all will discuss a little on the upcoming Jeremy's talk. This way, the talk can go better and focus on our "grey areas". Please, review your installed Red Hat PCs, books, syllabus... and prepare questions and be prepared to provide answers. Remember! This is an IRC Meeting to make possible a more fluid and interesting next talk. < Sinner_> hi RedWolfe < ovrclokd> actually, before we get started on that, i'm still a little confused about the schedule. < Sinner_> ovrclokd: shoot < RedWolfe> "morning" folks :-) < Sinner_> RedWolfe: very funny < Sinner_> :) < ovrclokd> how are we getting back on track with not overlapping with trilug meetings? < Sinner_> ovrclokd: the new proposed schedule on my page, solves the problem < Sinner_> I had to "push back" 2 meetings so it won't interfere < Sinner_> one is today (as tomorrow is TriLUG) < Sinner_> the second was the one for Jun, 11, 2003 < Sinner_> (as the 12th has a TriLUG meeting) < ovrclokd> sinner: i noticed that your syllabus still has eclectic LAN as the location for the talks -!- RedWolfe changed the topic of #trilug-rhce to: "TriLUG RHCE Study Group - Live Meeting, Wed Mar 12, 2003, right here" < Sinner_> ovrclokd: I know, I need to change that < ovrclokd> ah, okay < Sinner_> ovrclokd: it's confusely explained in the body of the syllabus, but it's not easy to see < ovrclokd> i'll fill the dates back in on my site, then. * Sinner_ mumbles about usability habilities < ovrclokd> i think i'm going to take mike's suggestion and organize my copy of the syllabus by date, rather than by meeting < ovrclokd> i think that'll make it a lot easier to figure out who's doing what to whom and when < Sinner_> sounds good * ovrclokd wonders if jeremy is going to discuss running gui tools without gnome installed... < Sinner_> XDDDDDDD * ovrclokd grins sheepishly < ovrclokd> hey, i have a question about getting sound configured on a test laptop < ovrclokd> lemme run out to the car and grab it so i can see what the error message was again... * ovrclokd will be right back -!- jtate [~jtate@rdu74-181-041.nc.rr.com] has joined #trilug-rhce < Sinner_> ovrclokd: sure < jtate> Sorry I'm late. What'd I miss? < ccw> (ccw grins at the MUDlike track we've taken ...) < ovrclokd> jtate: nothing much. i was confused about the schedule; sinner enlightened me. < ovrclokd> okay, so talking about configuring sound... i have a dell latitude CP laptop with a vanilla laptop install of redhat 7.3 < ovrclokd> (except that it only has kde and not gnome, of course) < Sinner_> jtate: we just have been delivering free soda and popcorn < jtate> (How does one set the default permissions for a directory, for example 0660?) < RedWolfe> overclokd: does "sndconfig" work? < Sinner_> ovrclokd: install and use "sndocnfig" < Sinner_> "sndconfig" < jtate> I know about the sticky bit to make all new files default to a certain group, now I want them to not be world readable. < Sinner_> jtate: chmod ? < ovrclokd> okay, lemme try that - never really messed with sound before < Sinner_> jtate: how do you do that? (sticky question) < jtate> Yeah, but what are the options I use? < RedWolfe> jtate: set your umask 026 < Sinner_> ovrclokd: sndocnfig is easy. even bill g. would be able to do it < jtate> RedWolfe: can you do that for only a specific directory? < jtate> chmod g+s <directory> < RedWolfe> jtate: no, but I don't think the stick bit on dirs affects the mode < jtate> Here's what I'm trying to do: I'm running UW-IMAP, but I'd like to set up a couple of shared folders for my wife and I to use. < ovrclokd> hm. sndconfig says no pci or pnp sound cards were found < jtate> so, I've set up a group called tatemail. < jtate> I've created a folder /home/tatemail and set the perms to 770 and set the group sticky bit. < jtate> And I've created links in both of our imap folders. < jtate> Problem is that when I create a file in /home/tatemail, it's set to 662. < ccw> group sticky bit on dirs sticks that directory's group to all files within it ... < jtate> Sorry s/662/664/ < Sinner_> ovrclokd: what the command "lspci" tells you? can you see a "sound" chipset? < Sinner_> what does... < Sinner_> doh < ovrclokd> don't see one < ovrclokd> sinner: dell website doesn't specify a sound chipset for it either < Sinner_> anything like "AC97"? < ovrclokd> sinner: nope, just bridges, vga, ide, ethernet, and serial < jtate> Now the directory's perms are 770 * Sinner_ mumbles an interesting sinonimous for technical support types at dell... in catalan < Sinner_> ovrclokd: can you send me the result on private query, so we don't flood the channel? * ovrclokd grins at sinner < ovrclokd> sinner: will do < ccw> jtate: Dell doesn't guar. a particular manufacturer for it's PCs. You have to look at the spec for your particular machine. Type in in their db. < Sinner_> jtate: 'x' for directories means that you can enter into it < ccw> (make that PC -*>components<*-) < ovrclokd> sinner: hangon, have to reboot to get an IP address (yes, this is THAT laptop) < Sinner_> wow < ovrclokd> sinner: yeah, it's weird - the dell latitudes are supposed to be pretty well supported < Sinner_> a very unique meaning for "well supported" * jeremyp looks in, reads scrollback < ccw> jtate: so your umask is 007 ? < ovrclokd> sinner: ah-HA! dell has audio drivers for win95 for a "crystal 4237b" - does that sound like an audio chipset to you? < jtate> 0002 is my umask < ccw> Over: Yes, that's a chipset... < ovrclokd> jeremyp: pick your poison: sound config or directory permissions * ovrclokd tries sndconfig again -!- Jaimie [~jaimieliv@rdu163-56-231.nc.rr.com] has joined #Trilug-RHCE < jeremyp> ovrclokd: heh. I do have the answer for gui tools without gnome though < ovrclokd> sinner: urgh. sndconfig has 3 crystal drivers, none of which match that entry < Sinner_> ovrclokd: absolutely. crystal sound < jeremyp> run something like "up2date-nox -i redhat-config-packages' < ovrclokd> jeremyp: really??? < Jaimie> H'lo All. Did I miss anything? < Sinner_> ovrclokd: try anyone and see if it works < jeremyp> Yes it should resolve the dep's for you < jeremyp> It will of course isntall the gnome libraries but that is really *OKAY* < Sinner_> ovrclokd: or you can try with ALSA drivers < ccw> Over: what are the entries they offer? < jeremyp> or rather the gtk+ libraries with one gnome library (as Jeremy Katz pointed out on the list, that one last dependency should be eliminated) < ovrclokd> jeremyp: will have to give that a try *happy grin* < jeremyp> But you have to register your system with RHN of course. < Sinner_> Jaimie: not much < ovrclokd> sinner: gaah, now it's asking me for dipswitch settings < Sinner_> Jaimie: hi there * ovrclokd has never configured sound before, doesn't know what she's looking at < jtate> If you dont' want to mess with that, look at yum: http://www.dulug.duke.edu/yum * jeremyp is speaking in "RHCE mode" of course, personally I prefer apt4rpm and/or the current server stuff < Sinner_> ovrclokd: then it's for an ISA card. go to another one < ovrclokd> hi jaimie < jtate> current: too much load on the server < ovrclokd> sinner: no joy here. what's an alsa driver? < jtate> apt4rpm: no experience < Sinner_> ovrclokd: can ypou enter in the BIOS for the laptop? sometimes BIOS are very detailed < jeremyp> jtate: don't worry about it for RHCE, it's not relevant. But if you are interested please catch up on the threads on the trilug discussion list; I've posted qutie a bit about it < Sinner_> ovrclokd: I worked once witha Compaq, that in the BIOS I discovered the audio chipset, and all the DMA, i/o and other stuff for sndconfig < ovrclokd> sinner: if it needs to be enabled in the bios, then it is, because it was playing properly under windoze < jtate> I'm quite happy with yum. < Sinner_> ovrclokd: alsa : advanced linux sound architecture < jeremyp> Is sound configuration going to be covered on the RHCE ? I haven't really seen it on any lists/outlines ... < Sinner_> alsa is another approach to sound drivers for linux < ovrclokd> sinner: think what i need to do is find a linux driver for this specific crystal chipset < jeremyp> ovrclokd: you said it's an ISA card? Then you want to run the curses-based "sndconfig" utility which can handle isapnp < Sinner_> ovrclokd: have you tried googleing? < ccw> Sinner_: good point ... but Dell does their own BIOS and they can be maddeningly uninformative ... < ovrclokd> sinner: doing that in another window now... :) < Sinner_> jeremyp: it's not ISA. ovrclokd tried with sndconfigm and the closest chipset asked for ISA info < Sinner_> ccw: or you can have a good day < jeremyp> If it's a modern card you can use redhat-config-soundcard . An older card should be detected by sndconfig < ccw> Sinner_: yeah, but don't count on Dell to be sensible ... :) < jeremyp> If it's not detected correctly be either, well... < ovrclokd> jeremyp: yet another redhat-config command i don't seem to have... :( < ccw> So, Lisa, what've you got ... ? * ovrclokd is poking around on www.alsa-project.org now < jeremyp> ovrclokd: there are a bunch of them it seems. Some of them are symlinks though, like redhat-config-network is the same as "neat" * RedWolfe "Those damn *druids*" < jeremyp> ovrclokd: alsa is not very compatible with Red Hat Linux. You really have to mess with stuff to get it to work. < ovrclokd> hmf. alsa doesn't even have crystal listed as a manufacturer... < jeremyp> But I've been meaning to try it myself as my sound card doesn't work either < jeremyp> There are some RPMs for alsa at either freshrpms.net or fedora.us, I forget which < ccw> over: I've got Crystal bookmarked at home (I'm at RedWolfe's). I'll mail you Crystal's URL tomorrow. < ovrclokd> ccw: www.crystal.com goes to www.cirrus.com/en/ now < ovrclokd> ccw: unfortunately, cs4237 isn't in their list of products anymore (if it ever was) < ccw> Over: yes, it would ... forgot about that ... < jeremyp> ovrclokd: did you say it's a Dell? If so, ignore crystal's web site. Dell has specialized versions of the crystal chips that won't be on their own site < jeremyp> Instead you'll need to go by what's on the Dell support site < ccw> all: and wasn't Cirrus bought by ADM ... ? < ovrclokd> jeremyp: argh! dell only has drivers for flavors of windoze < jeremyp> Yeah generally you'll need to look at Linux-specific resources (like the alsa or OSS driver pages) as the drivers are all unofficial < ccw> Over: but of course ... that way the cover 90% of the market ... < ovrclokd> score! went another route, checked linux-on-laptops, and there's sound info for my laptop < ccw> Last time I looked, Crystal didn't have any Linux drivers. However, they often had pointers to "unofficial" drivers ... < ccw> Over: kwell < ovrclokd> weird. okay, looks like from the docs here that this crystal chipset was supported under sndconfig in redhat 6.1 < ovrclokd> but it's not showing up in sndconfig for redhat 7.3 - wonder if they just took it out... < ccw> Over: on the "other" drivers disc ??? < ccw> (goes and looks at ISO...) < jeremyp> grr, my RR connection burped. Back now. < Jaimie> jeremyp: mine too. wonder what's up? < jeremyp> ovrclokd: Dunno why it would have been taken out, unless somehow it wasn't compatible with the 2.4 kernel < jeremyp> But I thought all those drivers were written in such a way that they were brought forward to 2.4 < ccw> (make that pcmcia.img?) < jeremyp> Um, sound drivers aren't supported at all on the boot/installation disks * ovrclokd is trying a clue from one of the linux-on-laptops links < jeremyp> They come from the stage 2 installer < ccw> (ccw is dully chastized by RedWolfe ...) < ccw> (and JeremyP) < jeremyp> Actually, I dunno if the installer does sndconfig at all either, it might only be post-install ? I need to check on that. < jeremyp> Is everyone here familiar with network configuration -- things like /etc/sysconfig/network and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethN ? < RedWolfe> jeremyp: I seem to recall that sound is part of the "firstboot" process or something < jeremyp> (where ethN refers to eth0, eth1, etc) < jeremyp> RedWolfe: I think it is now, but I haven't confirmed that < ovrclokd> jeremyp: yes < jeremyp> That's sort of an RHCT-level topic, so I guess I'll mostly skip that next week? < ovrclokd> jeremyp: installer does something with sound - after my install, started getting an error from the sound server < ovrclokd> jeremyp: seems reasonable to me < jeremyp> Though things like wireless support in "neat" are new and interesting < RedWolfe> the main install process looks for sound stuff, but doesn't always get it right < jeremyp> ovrclokd: well, the sound server is part of Gnome or KDE, not really anything the installer "does" < ovrclokd> jeremyp: ah, okay. < Sinner_> jeremyp: yes, I'm familiar with those, and the true way to change the name of a redhat system *grin* < jeremyp> (KDE has artsd, Gnome has ... [wracks his brain] < Sinner_> jeremyp: esd < jeremyp> Neither of them work worth a bean, best bet is to use a driver that supports multiple access, just put up with single program access, or use alsa < ovrclokd> jeremyp: if i make changes to /etc/modules.conf, those take effect on a reboot, right? -!- jtate [~jtate@rdu74-181-041.nc.rr.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.8.11 [Mozilla rv:1.2.1/20021130]"] < jeremyp> They add a huge amount of latency to the sound. No fair to find out you've been blown up in bzflag a half-second later :) < jeremyp> ovrclokd: yes, but remember that modules.conf is really a guide for "modprobe" which is a front-end to insmod < jeremyp> So you can do anything involving modules without rebooting. < jeremyp> For example, if you put "alias sound-slot-0 [blah]" in your modules.conf, you could try to load the driver with "modprobe sound-slot-0" or something similar < ovrclokd> jeremyp: thanks - that'll save me some wait time on the troubleshooting. :) < jeremyp> Linux almost NEVER needs to be rebooted, remember. < jeremyp> The only time you need to reboot is to install a different kernel. < ovrclokd> jeremyp: got used to rebooting this one to change the ethernet config *wry grin* < RedWolfe> So? What is next weeks meeting topic anyway? < jeremyp> Or to physically change out non-hot-swappable hardware < jeremyp> ACK! All network configuration can easily be fixed without rebooting... < ovrclokd> jeremyp: not on this laptop. i think it's possessed. this is the one where if i change /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, eth0 won't come back up without a reboot < jeremyp> you can do "service network restart" < ovrclokd> jeremyp: i've tried ifdown/ifup eth0, tried service network restart... < ovrclokd> both hang and give me a "failed to start eth0" error < jeremyp> if it's an issue with hotplug pcmcia cards, also try something like "cardctl eject; cardctl insert" < jeremyp> (or "service pcmcia restart" which amounts to the same thing) < Sinner_> ovrclokd: have you tried to really put down the card? < ovrclokd> yup, tried that too. got a xircom cardbus pcmcia NIC, and it has the right driver... < Sinner_> ovrclokd: try "ifdown eth0" and then "ifconfig eth0 down" < Sinner_> ovrclokd: end then, "rmmod [NIC_driver_goes_here]" < jeremyp> I've noticed that occasionally "ifdown" will hang on my box, not sure why < Sinner_> jeremyp: bad hardware? < jeremyp> But you can kill the process, and manually down the driver with ifconfig ethX down < RedWolfe> Sinner_ isn't that ifconfig eth0 down, THEN ifdown? < Sinner_> rmmod is good to kill "pesky" drivers, as all those unsued usb stuff < jeremyp> rmmod [NIC_driver_goes_here] won't work unless you "remove" the card with "service pcmcia stop" (or "cardctl eject") < Sinner_> RedWolfe: maybe. I don't do it that often, only in case of dire need < jeremyp> RedWolfe: no, "ifdown eth0" is just a script that ends up callign "ifconfig eth0 down" < ccw> Sinner_: software first THEN hardware ... < Sinner_> jeremyp: are yo positive? I thoguht you do not need to unload the pccard module < ovrclokd> okay, so done ifdown eth0, ifconfig eth0 down, service pcmcia stop, and rmmod xircom_cb - how to bring it back up now? < Sinner_> ccw: you are right < jeremyp> It does other things like release DHCP leases, adjust firewalls if necessary, etc < jeremyp> NO, "ifdown" is the "software" part - "ifconfig" is the hardware control part! < jeremyp> ifdown is a script wrapper < jeremyp> for ifconfig < ovrclokd> f**** A! it looks like it works! < Sinner_> good for you < ovrclokd> wow. that's going around my rear to get to my elbow. but it's still faster than rebooting. THANK YOU! < Sinner_> ....and the laptop never got a reboot in the last 20 years... < jeremyp> ovrclokd: because of the hotplug scripts all you really need to do is "service pcmcia restart" < jeremyp> All the rest will be taken care of (well except the rmmod part, but that's probably okay) * Sinner_ doesn't know if he needs to be happy for helping or sad for seeing cursing on the screen < ovrclokd> jeremyp: nope - tried that before (and justnow), and it has same bad behavior as just service network start < jeremyp> re: ifdown/ifup as script wrappers -- ifup is a more complex script, because what it does is read the files in /etc/sysconfig and configure the interface appropriately < Sinner_> ;) < ccw> jeremyp: doesn't ifconfig control the IP "interface"? < jeremyp> ccw: yes < ovrclokd> sinner: sorry, i didn't meant to offend, that's why i bleepd it out! < jeremyp> well the network interface, IP is just part of it < Sinner_> jeremyp: ifconfig is a more "hardcore" and definitive way of dealing with network situations. IIRC, i t kinda even removes the module... or somethjing nasty < jeremyp> no, ifconfig does NOT remove modules < ccw> Yeah, so that's the software interface. Now, removing the driver sounds kinda like kernel stuff to me ... < jeremyp> ifconfig just turns the interface off < jeremyp> (or on) < Sinner_> nasty for the network card module, I mean < jeremyp> NO, ifconfig is not nasty at all! < Sinner_> or probes the interface < jeremyp> It's the simple interface to the network card... gives it an IP address, turns it on/off < jeremyp> It's not fancy < jeremyp> It works well < Sinner_> works great < jeremyp> It's nice, pretty, etc < ccw> Yeah, I've modified the code in that other OS. (UNIX) ... < Sinner_> and it doens't complain when you go to see bad movies < jeremyp> Now, the ifup/ifdown scripts are wrappers to ifconfig and various other programs, to automate bringing a network up and down < jeremyp> There are often bugs in ifup/ifdown since they deal with so many different situations, which I think is the root of ovrclokd's problem < jeremyp> See, when you do "service pcmcia stop" it automatically calls "ifdown eth0" < RedWolfe> ifup/ifdown probably don't remove the kernel modules < jeremyp> Well ifup might cause a kernel module to be inserted, but right < jeremyp> Nothing ever really removes kernel modules < ovrclokd> jeremyp: service pcmcia restart must not be calling ifup eth0, because if i change ifcfg-eth0 and then do service pcmcia restart, the config doesn't change < Sinner_> RedWolfe: most probalby not, as the module still is alive (lsmod) < jeremyp> They just become unused, and then there's a process that goes through and cleans out unused modules < jeremyp> Unless you forcefully remove them with "rmmod" < Sinner_> rm* are nice commands < Sinner_> *evil grin* < jeremyp> ovrclokd: okay, maybe it doesn't. But if you ifdown the interface (and ifconfig eth0 down it), and then restart the pcmcia, it probably will run ifup < ccw> One may also force a clean ... now if I could just remember the command ... < jeremyp> (but maybe it's not calling ifdown) < jeremyp> You'd have to take a look at the hotplug scripts to be sure < jeremyp> ccw: yeah, the command used to be it root's crontab < jeremyp> Though I think they've taken that out and there's now a kernel-mode daemon of sorts that does it < Sinner_> rm -f /* ? < ovrclokd> jeremyp: testing it, if i do ifdown eth0, ifconfig eth0 down, service pcmcia restart, then after that eth0 doesn't even show up in ifconfig anymore < RedWolfe> Sinner_: do that as root! < Sinner_> RedWolfe: OK. < Sinner_> engage! < ovrclokd> jeremyp: but if i do service network restart after that, everything is happy and pingable < jeremyp> ovrclokd: are you typing "ifconfig -a" < Sinner_> Kernel message: 2bye, bye world! Bye bye happinness..." < jeremyp> But yeah it looks like your hotplug scripts aren't running ifup eth0. Mine do, go figure. < RedWolfe> ifconfig eth0 will still show the device information < jeremyp> RedWolfe: corerct < ovrclokd> jeremyp: no, i wasn't. it does show up in ifconfig -a, just isn't up < ovrclokd> sinner: aim gun, insert foot... < ovrclokd> jeremyp: funky. but it's nice to know the solution - thanks! < Sinner_> ovrclokd: Ready... fire...aim! < ovrclokd> sinner: wow, you've worked at my company too? ;) < RedWolfe> "!gnaB" < Sinner_> ovrclokd: actualy, tht's USArmy Artillery's motto < ccw> never time to do it right, always time to do it over .... < jeremyp> Measure once, cut twice ? < Sinner_> ovrclokd: another one is "we bomb infantry... mostly *enemy* infantry" < ccw> Sinner_: that's way they call it "ranging" ... < ovrclokd> sinner: yowch. :( < Sinner_> ovrclokd: ask an infantryman. artillery are n.2 of "hated guys". n.1 are navy guys < ovrclokd> sinner: making progress on the sound card, too < Sinner_> ccw: I've heard many words to describe this... but never heard of ranging * RedWolfe has actually done rm -rf / one time -- n a system that was abut to be re-installed from scratch. Interesting to weatch and play with. < ovrclokd> sinner: looks like the crystal audio 4237 chipset will work with the cs4232 module < ccw> one in front, one behind, one in the middle (and hope we're not talking about you) < ovrclokd> just added it to /etc/modules.conf and did a modprobe sound-slot-0, no errors < Sinner_> ovrclokd: oh, may! this can be right. a fully working, non-rebooting laptop? < Sinner_> s/can/can't < ovrclokd> sinner: lemme restart kde and see if the sound server has stopped complaining before i claim that... < Sinner_> no need to restart kde < ovrclokd> sinner: no? < Sinner_> just kill artsd < ccw> Over: 4237 in mostlikely an OEM version of one of the other Crystal chipsets. Now, *that* info may be on the Dell site... < jeremyp> Sinner_: why don't you type "/nick sinner" and get rid of that annoying underscore? :-) < Sinner_> jeremyp: b/c sinner is registered... not by me < ovrclokd> ccw: the dell site has SQUAT for info. fortunately, that info ws in google. :) < jeremyp> Ah, but no one's using it right now :) < Sinner_> ovrclokd: then, start a sound app on kde... or re-set the "sound serverprefs" from kde-ctrl-cntr < RedWolfe> Sinner_ can be whomever he wants to be! * Sinner_ would like to see most of the "so called support" sites changed by a google query box < jeremyp> ovrclokd: well when you get it working, you'll have to post a web site about it to add your contribution to google ;-) < Sinner_> let'ssee -!- Sinner_ is now known as sinner < jeremyp> RedWolfe: yeah, I know, just underscores are ugly. Maybe I can figure out how to change them to soemthing else on my screen :) < sinner> NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else < sinner> -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password> < jeremyp> Yeah but you can ignore that < sinner> ./ignore NickServ < jeremyp> well... :) < jeremyp> Actually, it looks like that nickname was last used 10 weeks ago < jeremyp> (or rather last identified 10 weeks ago) < ovrclokd> sinner: not quite there yet. no error, but "test sound" still doesn't work < jeremyp> You can only hold a nickname for 30 days, so you could "steal" it from that person if you wanted < sinner> ovrclokd: have you tried catting a wav file to /dev/dsp ? < sinner> cat yougotmail.wav > /dev/dsp < ccw> Over: so you've "solved" the error but it still doesn't work, huh? < jeremyp> ovrclokd: make sure the sound dameon thingy isn't running < sinner> ccw: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD * jeremyp knocks a hard drive off his desk...oops < sinner> oh, my ---> http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ < ovrclokd> ccw: yup, exactly. "cat test.wav > /dev/dsp" doesn't throw an error, but it doesn't make any noise either... < RedWolfe> over: are the speakers enabled? are there headphones or something involved? < jeremyp> are you sure the volume's turned up ? speakers plugged in ? < ccw> ain't computing grand! Now you don't have to listen to all that annoying noise. The computer does it for you ... :) < jeremyp> try a mixer program to make sure it's not muted or anything < sinner> kmix or aumix work well < ovrclokd> no speakers involved. made noise under win2k. control center -> sound -> system notifications has volume all the way up < ccw> Rules 1a and 1b apply. 1a) Is it plugged in. 1b) Is it turned on ... < sinner> ovrclokd: launch kmix and set all volumes to 95% < jeremyp> Using headphones then? (since you say "no speakers involved") ? < ccw> 1a') Is the headphone jack plugged ALL the way in ... ? < sinner> ... in the proper socket? < ccw> that too -!- jtower [~jason@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < jeremyp> And if this is a laptop with built-in speakers, I recommend troubleshooting with headphones < jeremyp> (or speakers that are known to work with another computer) < ovrclokd> laptop with built-in speakers, was troubleshooting with that < ovrclokd> just went and got headphones, plugged into right socket, all the way in < ovrclokd> ooh! < ovrclokd> okay, now cating a .wav file to /dev/dsp works in the headphones! < sinner> 0_o < ccw> kewler. < ovrclokd> (does anybody know how to get the menu bar to come back in kmix if i accidentally told it to go away? *sheepish grin*) < sinner> let me try it < ccw> double click on top of box? < ccw> depends on how they wrote it ... < ovrclokd> ccw: nope, that just windowshades it. < sinner> windowshade? doucble-click the tittle bar back < ccw> too bad. Fresh out of ideas ... < RedWolfe> is there a "view" menue? < jeremyp> alt-spacebar maybe? < ccw> windows uses alt-enter for properties ... < ovrclokd> redwolfe: there was until i made the menu bar go away! *wry grin* * RedWolfe oops! < ovrclokd> this is just pathetic. okay, somebody take away my geek card... < ovrclokd> yay! sound is now workign through laptop speakers. was set all the way down. < ccw> RW: Over is so kind ... :) < jeremyp> Yeah view menu options that make their own self go away are really annoying < ovrclokd> ccw: i meant me! here i am, brain the size of a small planet (yeah, right), and i can't get a menu bar to come back... < jeremyp> YOu could always shut it down (killall or xkill) and restart it, hopefully it won't save the option < ovrclokd> jeremyp: i could just reboot... ;) ;) ;) < jeremyp> using xkill it would be less likely (or kill/killall -9 ) < jtower> ovrclokd: find the .kmix file in your home dir and delete it, remove the config < ovrclokd> jeremyp: argh, nope, it's too smart for me yet again. < ccw> nonononononono, I mean you were gentle in pointing out the obvious. (You should have seen HIS wry grin.) :) < sinner> ovrclokd: ctrl-M -!- Jaimie [~jaimieliv@rdu163-56-231.nc.rr.com] has left #Trilug-RHCE [] < sinner> ovrclokd: have you tried Ctrl-M ? < ccw> OC: Did ctrl-M work???? * ovrclokd is distracted, one second, sorry! < ovrclokd> we have a winner! ctrl-M it was. < jeremyp> sinner probably did something inappropriate, like read the documentation :) < ovrclokd> it's even cleverly documented as the hotkey on the menu :) < sinner> now, you just have to learn to laugh like a BOFH to complete today's lesson < ccw> kewlest! Applause for Sinner sounds in Durham ... < sinner> ovrclokd: there was anothre option: launch a second KDE on :1, launch kmix there and go though kmix'es menu < ovrclokd> sinner: ooh, clever! < ccw> ccw has that down already ... < sinner> ok, after me: < sinner> MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < jeremyp> Except it would still read the same .kmix file right? -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < sinner> jeremyp: would you use the same user? < jeremyp> Tribot: excuse < Tribot> jeremyp: A plumber is needed, the network drain is clogged * ovrclokd is happy happy happy < jeremyp> sinner: ah, as a different user, cool < ccw> DAMN DAMN DAMN please turn OFF that ROBOT !!! < ovrclokd> thank you guys for your help - you rock! < ovrclokd> ccw: issues? ;) < jeremyp> I just invited him here to give out BOFH excuses... ;-) < RedWolfe> Tribot: excuse < Tribot> RedWolfe: The vendor put the bug there. -!- mode/#trilug-rhce [+o jeremyp] by ChanServ -!- mode/#trilug-rhce [+o ccw] by jeremyp <@ccw> Just possible. (ccw has written MUD robots. Hate really stupid robots ... here comes /ignore ... < sinner> XDDDDDDD <@jeremyp> there, now you can kick Tribot :) < RedWolfe> So, what else can Tribot do? <@ccw> JP: you mean me am a god? < sinner> be annoying and be really annoying <@jeremyp> Tribot: who are you? < Tribot> i think i am an infobot (http://www.infobot.org/) or an obstinate, ignorant, stupid bot that isn't worth the bits he's remembered by. <@jeremyp> Tribot: faq? < Tribot> well, faq is http://www.trilug.org/faq/TriLUG-faq.html or the tribot faq, at http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html <@jeremyp> RedWolfe: that should give you some URLs <@ccw> ccw's eyes begin a deamonic glow as he prepares to /kick Tribot ... -!- Tribot was kicked from #trilug-rhce by ccw [ccw] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ovrclokd> uh-oh, kick wars... <@ccw> DAMN robots .... mumble mumble muble ... -!- Tribot was kicked from #trilug-rhce by ccw [ccw] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce -!- Tribot was kicked from #trilug-rhce by ccw [ccw] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce -!- Tribot was kicked from #trilug-rhce by ccw [ccw] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce -!- mode/#trilug-rhce [-o ccw] by jeremyp -!- mode/#trilug-rhce [-o jeremyp] by jeremyp < ccw> mumble mubmle mubmle < ccw> eyes cease to glow ... < jeremyp> Heh. by the way, the magic command is "part" < ovrclokd> anyway, now that we've had our object lesson in network config and sound config *sheepish grin* were there any other topics people wanted to cover? < sinner> jeremyp: great! and part does.... ? < jeremyp> Tribot: part < jeremyp> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, jeremyp. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < ovrclokd> jeremyp: how do you get him back once you've given him that command? < jeremyp> ovrclokd: /msg Tribot join #trilug-rhce < ccw> JP: cute ... and you knew this LAST WEEK, too!? hum? * ovrclokd has to go do some laundry or mike will have no underwear tomorrow < jeremyp> Everything can be done with private messages as well as addressing on the channel < jeremyp> ccw: err, maybe ;-) < sinner> ovrclokd: can you put a cron job for the washer? < ovrclokd> i need to remember that once i get on irc, i won't get anything else done for the evening! < ovrclokd> sinner: don't i wish. < ovrclokd> jeremyp: clever tribot. :) < ccw> JP: do you have to be a particular user for that to work? < jeremyp> ccw: I don't think so, though there is a way to setup that kind of "authentication" (but I don't think we have) -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part < sinner> ovrclokd: while here, I've got myself dinner, I ate it and I've also opened a beer to celebrate a non-rebooting laptop being born :P < jeremyp> Yeah I just finished a really bad frozen pizza < ovrclokd> sinner: yay! drink one for me... :) < jeremyp> ccw: you need to give it the channel name for part, too (see above) * ovrclokd had a reuben from bear rock for dinner - yummy, but VERY greasy < sinner> cheers! < ovrclokd> sinner: salut! < sinner> salut ovrclokd ! < ccw> ccw types: locate Bear Rock and gets nottin' ... < ovrclokd> sinner: what would you say in catalan? < ovrclokd> ccw: reasonably decent sandwich shop chain < RedWolfe> Tribot: fortune < Tribot> RedWolfe: Robot, n.: University administrator. < sinner> ovrclokd: ... say in catalan for what? < ovrclokd> sinner: for cheers / salut, sorry < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < sinner> ovrclokd: well, I say "salut!" < sinner> and you can say "salut, força al canut i un duro cada minut!" < sinner> or just < sinner> and you can say "salut i força al canut" < ccw> ccw waits for a translation ... -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < sinner> ccw: "cheers, strenght to your tubular-shaped purse and have 5 cents every minute!" < sinner> this is the long one < jeremyp> ovrclokd: you thought your ifconfig/network setup was fun, take a look at this: http://crap.err0rr.com/ifconfig.php -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < jeremyp> (that was just posted over on #trilug -- Errol Casey's setup with ipv6 stuff) < ovrclokd> sinner: does that make more sense in catalan than it does in english? :) < sinner> ovrclokd: a lot more < sinner> salut can mean cheers or/and have helth < sinner> and also hello < jeremyp> It's all about the tubular-shaped purse < sinner> then, canut can be the tubular-shaped purse used by males in the 16th century... or your manhood < ovrclokd> sinner: !!! :) < ccw> ccw wonders if Sinner was there for the Olympiad (sp?) ? < ovrclokd> jeremyp: gleep. i wonder if he has to reboot a lot. :) -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < sinner> ovrclokd: well, I say "salut!" < sinner> and you can say "salut, força al canut i un duro cada minut!" < sinner> or just < sinner> and you can say "salut i força al canut" < ccw> ccw waits for a translation ... -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < sinner> ccw: "cheers, strenght to your tubular-shaped purse and have 5 cents every minute!" < sinner> this is the long one < jeremyp> ovrclokd: you thought your ifconfig/network setup was fun, take a look at this: http://crap.err0rr.com/ifconfig.php -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < jeremyp> (that was just posted over on #trilug -- Errol Casey's setup with ipv6 stuff) < ovrclokd> sinner: does that make more sense in catalan than it does in english? :) < sinner> ovrclokd: a lot more < sinner> salut can mean cheers or/and have helth < sinner> and also hello < jeremyp> It's all about the tubular-shaped purse < sinner> then, canut can be the tubular-shaped purse used by males in the 16th century... or your manhood < ovrclokd> sinner: !!! :) < ccw> ccw wonders if Sinner was there for the Olympiad (sp?) ? < ovrclokd> jeremyp: gleep. i wonder if he has to reboot a lot. :) < sinner> yup, I was there, on '92. And I got into surgery when the Special Olympics < sinner> ovrclokd, jeremyp : that's the truth about the "canut" < sinner> also, now "canut" can also mean a "weed cigarrette" < jeremyp> sinner: I figured it was something like that, which is why I made the comment I did :) < ccw> all ccw's relatives hid when when games came to SLC. < sinner> geeez, I wonder if we ever know what we are *really* saying when we speak < ovrclokd> sinner: mike and i were talking about how human communication is like OSI app layer < sinner> jeremyp: the manhood meaning is very late 20th century/early 21st century < ovrclokd> sinner: wondering what it would be like to be able to communicate further down the stack... < sinner> ovrclokd: "in theory t works, although it's never completely implemented in real life"? < RedWolfe> 3 minute warning! < ovrclokd> sinner: *grin* something like that < sinner> RedWolfe: 3 minute for what? < ovrclokd> redwolfe: are you going to explode? < jeremyp> RedWolfe: yeah, this conversation is rapidly going down hill :/ < sinner> gottta go & hit the can? < RedWolfe> well, actually 1.5 minutes or so < sinner> jeremyp: cultural anthropology is not "downhill" < ccw> ccw looks over at RW. He doesn't LOOK like he's about to explode ... * sinner just visited an anthropology museum < ovrclokd> ccw: ticktickticktickticktickticktick < ccw> RW is grinning like something or other but no tick tick tick ... < sinner> BTW: the "BOFH Journals" are being translated into Spanish :) < RedWolfe> Tribot: fortune < Tribot> RedWolfe: Don't everyone thank me at once! -- Han Solo < sinner> that's encrypted morse code < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < jeremyp> bing < jeremyp> aw, darn, 1 second too late -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < ccw> ./msg tribot part #trilug-rhce didn't work JP... * ovrclokd is really going to go do laundry now -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < ovrclokd> have a great night, everybody! < ovrclokd> thanks again for all the help... * sinner is going to bed like soon < ccw> Tribot: part #trilug-rhce < Tribot> goodbye, ccw. -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has left #trilug-rhce [] < sinner> g'nite ovrclokd < jeremyp> CYA < ccw> happy laundering OC. Sweet dreams ... -!- Tribot [~Tribot@moya.trilug.org] has joined #trilug-rhce < sinner> good night to all! < sinner> salut! < ccw> pax vo < jeremyp> Au revoir -!- sinner [~sinner@ip68-105-252-147.nc.hr.cox.net] has quit ["salut to all"] < ccw> ccw disappears in a puff of random bits ... -!- ccw [~ccw@durham-ar1-4-64-251-166.durham.dsl-verizon.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] < RedWolfe> Tribot: excuse < Tribot> RedWolfe: Dumb terminal * RedWolfe fades away -!- RedWolfe [~ggw@durham-ar1-4-64-251-166.durham.dsl-verizon.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] Generated by irclog2html.pl 2.1 by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net!