17:04:54 #startmeeting 17:04:54 Meeting started Tue Sep 29 17:04:54 2015 UTC. The chair is whippythellama. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:04:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:05:03 #chairs mhrivnak leafstorm eronel jackhill whippythellama 17:05:08 #topic October Meeting 17:05:19 i think we're mostly set for the moment here 17:05:21 thanks for posting the placeholder...sorry that it slipped my to-do list 17:05:26 no worries - it happens 17:05:40 i'm really looking forward to his talk 17:05:55 Bandwidth, as usual? 17:06:03 could you take an action to send out the first announcement? 17:06:09 #action leafstorm announce Dr. Parnin's talk 17:06:09 as far as i know, yes 17:06:16 i haven't heard differently 17:06:26 I'll try to do some more cross-promotion this time as ewll 17:06:29 i'll take the action to check 17:06:30 s/ewll/well/ 17:06:43 #action ping bandwidth folks to confirm for the 8th 17:06:45 eh, if we haven't heard anything it's probably fine 17:06:52 likely so 17:07:03 I think the TriPython list would be interested, and probably more than a few other meetups 17:07:06 good idea on the cross-promotion 17:07:09 indeed 17:07:17 triangle devops and ruby brigade also come to mind 17:07:51 I don't know too many other meetups around...maybe we should make a list on the PromotingMeetings page 17:08:04 let's start with those three and see what we get 17:08:30 they're all pretty active 17:08:51 OK 17:09:04 i think we're good on october for now unless you have anything else 17:09:17 no sponsor? 17:09:22 not as yet 17:09:36 OK 17:09:44 i need to follow up on that email that came in, though, so maybe 17:10:00 #action whippythellama reply to the sc email mentioning sponsorship and speaking 17:10:06 i'll know what that means :) 17:10:19 ok, onward 17:10:26 #topic Certificates Status 17:10:32 this'll be brief 17:10:46 i've got a couple of votes for passphraseless certs, and i'm fine with that 17:10:56 I'd agree 17:10:58 i just wanted to ask if anyone had strong objections 17:10:59 assuming the certs are 700 17:11:05 right, absolutely 17:11:25 it's that whole security/convenience balance 17:11:35 ok, i'll strip the passphrases then 17:11:47 #action whippythellama strip the passphrases from the certs 17:11:57 #topic Ada Lovelace Day 17:12:10 jackhill? I admit I haven't been on top of this 17:12:16 jackhill mentioned that he would send out the email about it this evening 17:12:21 ...before the meeting, that is 17:12:27 i'll action it for him 17:12:43 #action jackhill send out email regarding ada lovelace day to the list 17:12:54 eronel: did you have anything you needed to add on this one? 17:13:30 i'll take silence as a no :) 17:13:34 whippythellama: So, I wrote to GDI and there was some excitement.. 17:13:42 oh cool :) 17:13:58 whippythellama: ..but then I replied and described all the posssibilities of what we could do and got no response. 17:14:05 bummer :/ 17:14:18 could you reach out again? 17:14:30 I can send another message...and at least ask them to invite the GDI members. 17:14:45 that'd be good, thanks! 17:15:06 want to action that? 17:15:11 #action eronel contact GDI again re Ada Lovelace DAy 17:15:16 awesome 17:15:39 ok, i think that's it for that topic, until we hear more from abroad 17:15:49 #topic Moya Status / Next Steps 17:16:07 i don't think we'll have much on this one, with jackhill tied up with $work issues 17:16:25 does anyone else have anything on this, though? 17:16:31 I think the biggest thing is developing & documenting procedures for how we're creating new VM's 17:16:36 +1 17:16:43 document-as-we-go 17:16:59 for stuff like root passwords, user accounts, etc., I think we need to document-*before*-we-go 17:17:14 heh heh 17:17:17 as well as what kind of security or administration measures we want to have on every machine 17:17:22 agreed 17:18:04 i'm also thinking we should start moving some of this documentation off of the locked-down steering site, and onto a more publicly-accessible, and group-editable wiki 17:18:09 obviously, not the sensitive bits 17:18:11 yeah 17:18:20 Jack started a docs repo on Kallithea 17:18:24 but i'd love to see more collaboration with more of the membership on this stuff 17:18:34 that's a great start 17:18:55 https://appsdev.trilug.org/kallithea/trilug/config-management/files/49c4d899e391c73352966117b860951e75d60261/doc 17:19:21 yeah, i browsed it a bit - it's looking quite nice 17:19:53 it would be nice to have a wiki-like setup on some of this stuff, though 17:20:08 for now I think the Kallithea docs will be fine 17:20:08 but that can be a topic for next hack night, too 17:20:14 agreed, entirely 17:20:30 anyway, right now Moya has no VM's 17:20:32 it's just a discussion i'd like to have in the not-so-distant future :) 17:20:46 connection problems limited how much we could get done at the hack night 17:20:53 ah, gotcha 17:20:58 but populating it with something by November would be nice 17:21:12 i completely agree 17:21:18 that's all I have on the subject 17:21:34 ok, cool - thank you 17:22:05 moving on in the interest of time 17:22:11 #topic November Meeting 17:22:41 I'm going to veto the Ashley Madison topic proposal - risk of anti-harassment-policy-violating content is a bit high 17:22:43 i sent an email to the list with three topics that Jim has offered to present 17:23:01 yeah, could be 17:23:32 do either of you have a strong preference on the other two? 17:23:55 the first one? 17:24:08 that's my top pick as well :) 17:24:44 hey, I'm here now 17:24:52 hey jackhill - welcome back! :) 17:25:13 did you have a preference on the list of proposed topics for november? 17:25:14 even if Jim doesn't bring any into it, it's the sort of topic that invites trouble 17:25:14 the other two look interesting 17:25:21 what were the other two real quick? 17:26:06 I agree on no Ashley Madison 17:26:06 hang on... 17:26:14 1. Sanoid, an open source project I authored and continue to develop and 17:26:16 maintain, which aims to make your servers effectively immortal by way of 17:26:18 snapshots, replication, and machine portability 17:26:21 2. ZFS replication, and how and why it manages to be 1000% faster than 17:26:23 rsync - or more! - in many common scenarios 17:26:32 ah found it. I think I have a preference for ZFS, but either would be fine. 17:26:49 especially if it discusses more than just replication 17:26:53 Someone gave a Sanoid talk at SELF, I wonder if that was he. 17:26:59 seems likely 17:27:06 did you catch it? 17:27:22 I did not, but all of their videos are online 17:27:31 ok, i'll take a look 17:27:53 we don't have to decide right this moment - i just wanted to get your thoughts 17:28:15 the attendance thing that jeremy brought up caught my attention 17:28:52 my concern there was if he's a name that brings in big numbers, we may need to figure out if we can have it elsewhere that night 17:29:03 hm... 17:29:18 as a bus planner, I think a certain degree of crush loading is inevitable :-P 17:29:26 hahaha 17:29:29 what's the rated capacity at Bandwidth? 17:29:31 heh heh 17:29:48 i think they said they've had 90-100 in that room before 17:29:52 there's a lot of room for people to sit in the floor if they have to. 17:29:56 we've been having 40-60 17:30:02 true, eronel 17:30:05 I don't think it's likely to be a problem 17:30:40 well, there's the room, the temperature, and the pizza and drinks to consider 17:30:52 attendance has been lower in general since that timespan - if it balloons, it probably wouldn't balloon to more than 90-100 is my guess 17:31:00 pizza and drinks could be interesting 17:31:00 leafstorm: good point 17:31:05 but lately we've been having surplus pizza 17:31:09 right 17:31:12 drinks, it's more variable 17:31:44 yeah, but we still tend to have a few partial bottles left at the end 17:31:53 ok, we're at time... 17:31:55 but drinks are not perfectly substitutable for each other 17:32:06 true 17:32:07 one general business item 17:32:12 #topic General Business 17:32:14 shoot 17:32:26 jackhill: can you do something about the annoying package update emails that land in my inbox every day? 17:32:35 whippythellama: http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/?p=1507 17:32:56 thank you, jackhill 17:33:07 whippythellama: although that's not the actual talk? 17:33:08 leafstorm: i believe that is a result of you being listed on the sysadmin alias 17:33:18 I don't oppose being on that alias 17:33:28 but I think that package reminder emails every day is a bit excessive 17:33:28 leafstorm: as in you want me to take the updates or configure it so that it doesn't send mail in the future? 17:33:40 I'm not sure, you're the expert 17:33:43 I can set up a filter rule 17:34:18 I guess the question is, who is responsible for responding to those emails and how do they respond? 17:34:35 well, if we take the package updates when the happen we should only get 2 mails (one to tell us about them and then one when it happens) 17:34:37 it's a reminder for the sysadmin to login and run the updates 17:34:57 I guess it should follow and expidential backoff. 17:35:13 as for the responsible party, i believe that would be our esteemed webmaster :) 17:35:17 For now I'll try to take them more frequently (although these didn't seem to be pressing) 17:35:55 ok, we're five minutes over 17:36:06 not a huge deal, just wanted to keep it on the radar 17:36:09 if there's no other pressing business, i say we should adjourn 17:36:15 agreed 17:36:18 speaking of updating (and rebooting) pilot, did whippythellama ever get datacenter access? 17:36:27 jackhill: not yet, that i know 17:36:33 #action whippythellama follow up on data center access 17:36:38 thanks for the reminder :) 17:36:42 and on that note... 17:36:44 #endmeeting