18:08:02 #startmeeting 18:08:02 Meeting started Tue Dec 29 18:08:02 2015 UTC. The chair is whippythellama. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:08:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:08:13 #chair whippythellama leafstorm mhrivnak eronel jackhill 18:08:13 Current chairs: eronel jackhill leafstorm mhrivnak whippythellama 18:08:25 #topic January Meeting 18:08:43 when should we send out the next announcements? 18:08:51 thank you for being the conduit between william and bandwidth, mhrivnak 18:08:56 (if the answer is "Wednesday through Sunday," I'll be out of town) 18:09:19 i don't think we need to send another this week 18:09:38 I agree. I think middle of next week is good. 18:09:41 i was thinking next week and the week after 18:09:53 week after == week of the meeting 18:09:55 not Monday, because people will be catching up on work email from their break. 18:10:08 i agree entirely 18:10:08 OK. I was thinking we'd want to send one before the Jan 4 nomination deadline, but maybe just to trilug@ and not trilug-announce@ 18:10:36 ah, that's a good point. 18:10:45 sure, if you'd like to send a reminder of the elections i think that would be good 18:10:52 +1 18:11:03 but i'd say make it only that, not a re-broadcast of the meeting announcement 18:11:07 all right 18:11:14 I'll send it tomorrow before I leave 18:11:19 #action leafstorm send election reminder 18:11:27 just b/c some folks will see the "standard reminder" and not really read it 18:11:33 thank you, leafstorm 18:11:44 ok, anything else on january? 18:11:56 speaking of the election... 18:12:12 We need to think about who is going to run it, and what needs to be done to prepare. 18:12:26 unless that's been decided and I forgot? :) 18:12:36 it has not :) 18:12:55 if there is only one nomination we might not need to have a physical election... 18:13:03 I don't believe the AoI mention write-ins 18:13:08 good point, leafstorm 18:13:38 out bylaws see to be missing FWIW: http://trilug.org/policies 18:13:41 which is why I wanted to send the reminder 18:13:44 * mhrivnak goes to google drive 18:13:58 most of the election stuf are in the AoI though, right? 18:14:06 i believe so, yes 18:14:12 * whippythellama looks 18:14:33 "Members may declare their candidacy by either announcing their intent to run via the mailing list at least 24 hours in advance of the election, or by attending the election in person and stating their intent to run." 18:14:40 ah 18:14:49 ok, there we go 18:14:52 so we have to be prepared for the election. 18:15:02 AoI article eight says "Nominations must be proposed and voted on no more than sixty days nor less than ten days before the meeting at which voting will commence." 18:15:17 do bylaws override the AoI, or vice versa? 18:15:31 good question 18:15:47 (the article eight quote is in the section specifically about replacing outgoing members) 18:15:51 I think you're looking at the old AoI 18:15:57 oh, we updated them? 18:16:03 yes, when we updated the bylaws. 18:16:06 ahhhh 18:16:09 that's unfortunate 18:16:10 and moved a lot of stuff from the AoI into the bylaws. 18:16:13 is it? 18:16:35 yeah...I'm a big believer in public access to laws 18:16:38 that's kind of the whole point of laws 18:16:58 i don't see how updating the bylaws precludes public access 18:17:01 it's in the TriLUG folder, right? 18:17:03 revising them has nothing to do with access. 18:17:13 i agree it's unfortunate that it's not more easily accessible, tho 18:17:15 except that we didn't post them on the site when we revised them 18:17:16 yes. 18:17:38 #action leafstorm update AoI and bylaws on Web site 18:17:42 lol 18:17:52 ah, I see, perhaps I've misunderstood. Were you saying it's unfortunate that the AoI and bylaws aren't available on the website? 18:17:56 yeah 18:18:00 i was literally typing that for me when you action'ed it, leafstorm :) 18:18:01 I thought you were saying it's unfortunate that we revised them. :) 18:18:17 i inferred the same :) 18:18:18 no, it makes sense to have rules like that in the document we don't have to go through the Secretary of State to change 18:18:59 ...I don't see them in the Google Drive folder though 18:19:54 ah. I have a copy and will get them into that folder shortly. 18:20:01 thank you, mhrivnak 18:20:08 i wasn't finding them on the steering site either 18:20:09 I think the revisions may have started before that shared folder existed. 18:20:10 :/ 18:20:25 #ncsulug keeps the constitution in a GitHub repo 18:20:47 i think that's a good approach to take 18:21:08 but for now just having them on the site is good 18:21:13 I agree. I think some people objected to that at the time of revision. 18:21:21 did we ever regain control over the github account? 18:21:49 I don't remember exactly why, but I think there was some general aversion to requiring github membership to participate. 18:22:00 they are a closed-source service 18:22:06 yeah, i can see that 18:22:21 #action mhrivnak put bylaws and AoI in Google Drive 18:22:32 well, we can have a more general discussion about specifically where and how, but i think the approach has a lot of merit 18:22:52 I don't know about the github account. 18:23:19 I don't think the location is that big a deal as long as we keep that location updated 18:23:32 since it requires a physical meeting & election to approve bylaws anyway 18:23:36 we may want to explore self-hosting, or piggy-backing on top of the revision control that jackhill is setting up for moya's setup 18:24:19 ok, we've wandered a bit afield from discussions of the january election :) 18:24:31 once the bylaws are up, we can figure out logistics next week 18:24:37 sounds good. 18:24:40 ok, that sounds good 18:24:46 moving on 18:24:55 #topic Speakers for February and Beyond 18:25:31 I have the openshift speaker interested and willing, but haven't heard back about which month he prefers. 18:25:31 so mhrivnak, would you be willing to give your docker talk later this spring? 18:25:35 sure. 18:25:40 awesome 18:25:44 ...on both counts :) 18:26:00 i know eronel was talking to sean alexandre, so that may give us another in the pipeline 18:26:24 I keep forgetting to follow up with Caleb Smith, who may be able to talk about music or weird lisps 18:26:31 (@CalebSmithNC) 18:26:48 do we want to schedule lightning talks, or save it until we need a topic? 18:27:13 we should at least wait until the current speaker pipeline settles 18:27:14 lol... lisp the *language* ... got it :) 18:27:18 right 18:27:19 I think we should save it. 18:27:26 sounds good 18:28:20 anything else to cover there? 18:28:41 * leafstorm has nothing 18:28:44 nope 18:28:56 #topic General Business 18:29:17 one thing i was thinking about was changing the settings for this channel to be less restrictive 18:29:17 * leafstorm still has nothing 18:29:25 yeah...I don't think that'll cause problems 18:29:27 we should talk about moya soon. perhaps not now without jackhill, but soon. 18:29:35 I sense that the effort is stalled. 18:29:39 the only issue #ncsulug-business has is that people with business ideas join the channel 18:29:48 because it has "business" in the name 18:29:48 And we are taking advantage of generous "temporary" hosting. 18:29:51 but that's pretty minor 18:29:56 mhrivnak: i very much agree 18:29:57 maybe shift to #trilug-meetings? 18:30:15 leafstorm: that's a possibility 18:30:42 i don't mind keeping it #trilug-business unless it becomes an issue, tho 18:30:47 I'd be happy making this channel less restrictive and see what happens. 18:30:50 sure 18:30:52 ok, cool 18:31:08 #action whippythellama figure out what it would take to un-restrict #trilug-business 18:31:16 ask ChanServ 18:31:32 thanks, leafstorm - i'll do that 18:31:50 that's about it from me - anything else either of you wants to cover? 18:31:54 nope 18:32:10 nope. 18:32:19 #action whippythellama ping jackhill on when we can re-start the moya effort 18:32:36 ok, cool 18:32:39 thanks guys! 18:32:42 #endmeeting