17:03:11 #startmeeting 17:03:11 Meeting started Tue Jul 5 17:03:11 2016 UTC. The chair is whippythellama. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:03:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:03:19 #topic Agenda Additions 17:03:31 none here 17:03:37 one thing is the gdi email jackhill brought up 17:03:41 nothing here 17:03:56 nothing 17:04:01 ok, cool 17:04:07 #topic Fedora Release Party 17:04:12 mhrivnak: any news there? 17:04:16 No news. 17:04:26 Everyone was at Summit last week and then there was the long weekend. 17:04:32 ah, right 17:04:35 you had mentioned that 17:04:43 ok, cool 17:04:46 I'll email if/when anything happens. 17:04:49 #topic Moya 17:05:02 we really let this one slide, i'm afraid 17:05:13 thank you for emailing about it, stmiller 17:05:47 Yeah I certainly don't want to downplay all efforts to this point, but I think we need something easy to setup and manage 17:05:47 while i know the general answer is "asap", do you have a feel for when they would like us to pull moya out? 17:05:58 we do, definitely 17:06:13 I have the week off of work, and I'm planning to spend some of that time working on moya. 17:06:21 qqx++ 17:06:28 but i also don't want us bogged down trying to get to the "perfect" config for another year 17:06:38 @qqx++ 17:06:55 It has been 1+ year now, assumed the server would be out by now. I was quesitoned on the status based on that 17:07:01 gotcha 17:07:18 ok, we need to define a minimum viable product 17:07:31 ie - where do we need to get in order to pull moya out 17:07:59 i'm thinking the vm hosting portion, and a pilot-clone vm 17:08:00 other thoughts? 17:08:01 The current vm on moya is ubuntu 12.04 (vm for pilot replacement) 17:08:06 Should we consider just moving pilot as-is to a VM on moya for starters? 17:08:22 So much work. I think starting with clean 16.04 image and moving data over would be best, but that might take more work 17:08:31 16.04 vm 17:08:37 how about this... 17:08:56 keep the 12.04 vm and try to get a straight clone of pilot going on it 17:08:57 So far the plan had been to move the current pilot setup over as a VM. 17:09:20 then spin up a 16.04 vm as 'pilot2' or something and in our copious spare time we try to "do it right" 17:09:29 That sounds good. If we can stand up pilot as a VM on moya, we can swap hardware out at the DC, and then iterate from there. 17:09:35 yeah 17:09:35 exactly 17:10:07 so is there a base os and then a 12.04 vm running under that? 17:10:33 Yes. Debian, and libvirt / kvm 17:10:40 excellent 17:11:07 we do have the backups going on a regular basis 17:11:18 shall we try a simple restore? 17:11:30 ooo nice idea :) 17:11:59 :) 17:12:04 kill two birds there 17:12:10 14.04 still has sysv init, could attempt a restore to 14.04 to see if that would work. Or is that crazy? 17:12:21 possibly the shortest way to duplicate pilot, and make sure we have restore-able backups 17:12:41 stmiller: depends on how long the experiment would take 17:13:04 given how much capacity moya has, i'd rather just go for a straight clone 17:13:04 I think attempting to use restore to do an update is a crazy idea in general. 17:13:08 Agreed. The quickest path is to keep pilot as-is, and just boot it as a VM on moya. 17:13:20 I'd just restore as is, then upgrade that. 17:13:25 then we could spin up any number of upgraded vms to try to move forward 17:13:28 qqx: agreed 17:13:42 But at this point, I'd keep the upgrade as a separate thing from moving to the VM. 17:13:47 or restore to a new vm for general use, and then restore to a second vm for upgrade purposes 17:13:53 cool 17:13:53 exactly 17:14:53 basically, spin up pilot, warts and all. once we have a working moya with the new pilot-vm on it, we plan the hw swap 17:15:17 we will need to figure out a weekend when preferably most of us are around 17:15:48 and if we can get one or two others who have been involved - jmainguy and aporter come to mind - that would be ideal 17:16:04 Sounds good. 17:16:13 qqx: do you think you can spin up the simple clone this week? 17:16:28 barring catastrophe, of course :) 17:16:34 Hopefully 17:16:39 We might need to audit home dirs 17:17:07 Audit for what? 17:17:08 we may leave that to the users 17:17:24 For space if the disk usage is a lot 17:17:30 ok 17:17:47 I was thinking cloning many GBs might take a bit 17:18:02 it will - but we'll see how this goes 17:18:07 moya appears to be on a backup TWC link, 15/2 fwif. 17:18:09 w 17:18:47 We could do the restore for now without home dirs if necessary. 17:18:50 worst case, i cart a backup drive to the colo, copy homedirs, then hand it off to you at some point so you can plug it into moya :) 17:18:59 mhrivnak: i think that's probably best 17:19:00 If all the services work, we could wait on home directories until we take moya to the DC. 17:19:11 agreed 17:19:25 ok, i think we're good on this one for now 17:19:38 qqx: can you take the action to get the basic pilot clone up? 17:20:00 #action qqx Get pilot clone running on moya 17:20:01 or restore to the vm, or however you want to phrase it :) 17:20:08 excellent 17:20:31 we might actually get that up and running in the next month or so :) 17:20:36 ok, moving on 17:20:43 #topic 3d Tuxes 17:20:58 jeremyhwllc: did you have any news on that? general status, etc? 17:21:48 i'm gonna guess he's here in spirit alone :) 17:21:50 yes 17:21:54 ah - he lives! :) 17:21:55 sorry 17:22:27 I have had a few emails on it 17:22:41 yeah, saw some of that 17:23:23 What are everyone thoughts? swag for sponsorship? 17:23:58 or for speakers 17:24:48 I think I might be a little behing on what exactly the proposal is. 17:25:05 i'm not certain there really was one 17:25:28 A guy has a 3d Hubs page 17:25:46 he wants to self promote on our list 17:26:01 Ah right, I recall that part now. 17:26:17 i also need to point out that we're short on time; there were a couple of other things i wanted to cover 17:26:22 I recommended instead he make swag in return for sponsorship 17:26:42 Gotcha. So now there's a question of whether we want to make speaker swag a regular thing? 17:26:59 if there is no opposition let move to next topic 17:27:06 Seems like it depends at least in part on what it would cost us to make that swag once this guy is done giving us freebies. 17:27:15 yep 17:27:51 well there is a 3d hubs community no need to sponsor only one 17:27:52 ok, sorry jeremyhwllc - we'll need to revisit this one over email or next week 17:28:01 right 17:28:03 #topic GDI Email 17:28:36 so sarah kahn from girl develop it sent in a contact form on 6/29 17:28:57 basically, they've got a class coming up next wednesday and wanted to know if we could spread the word 17:28:58 And does she just want us to email the list and tell them about the event? 17:29:04 basically, yeah 17:29:43 it is a paid-for class 17:29:49 but i don't see any issues 17:29:54 Let's do it. 17:29:58 I vote we promote 17:30:00 it's a 'command line beginners' class 17:30:01 coolio 17:30:12 i'll reach out to her and get her to write something up to send 17:30:12 Yeah, I'm for promoting it as well. 17:30:20 and ask for a future presentation 17:30:27 #action whippythellama email sarah from gdi about the class 17:30:33 good idea, jeremyhwllc 17:30:35 Even though it's a for pay thing, it's a really low price. 17:30:39 yeah, it really is 17:30:44 and they're a good group 17:30:55 ok, one last thing real quick... 17:31:03 #topic General Business 17:31:22 jeremyhwllc: would you mind sending out a final call for presenters for next week's meeting? 17:31:44 we have three talks scheduled so far 17:31:46 Good idea. 17:32:06 I will kick out the announcements 17:32:07 pretty good number of rsvps off of meetup 17:32:10 thank you :) 17:32:11 I can lengthen mine if that's helpful. 17:32:15 after that I need some help 17:32:22 probably would be, mhrivnak :) 17:32:29 jeremyhwllc: what can we help with? 17:32:49 I am getting into the difficult parts of a divorce 17:32:54 :( 17:33:00 i'm very sorry to hear that 17:33:02 wife moving back to Japan 17:33:05 Looks like we still need to send to -announce about the meeting. 17:33:25 jeremyhwllc, ugh sorry to hear that. 17:33:26 qqx: noted, thank you - i'll put in the actions, hang on 17:33:57 #action jeremyhwllc send first round of general meeting announcements 17:34:09 so next month or two I might not have much time available 17:34:29 #action jeremyhwllc send a call for more rpi presenters 17:34:32 We've got you covered - no worries 17:34:46 jeremyhwllc, ack. Just let us know when you need to hand stuff off and we'll take care of it. 17:34:46 jeremyhwllc: we'll take care of anything you need 17:35:10 thanks 17:35:11 does it have to be rpi, or would any embedded/single-board-computer count? (not that I really have any leads, just curious) 17:35:30 and if there are any in-flight conversations you'd like us to take over, just cc and let us know 17:36:10 I think we can add as rpi alternatives 17:36:13 jackhill: very strongly prefer rpi i'd say, just because that's what we've listed on the site, but i very much doubt anyone would object too strongly ;) 17:36:32 cool 17:36:37 ok, we're well over time here - anyone have additional topics? 17:36:45 None here. 17:36:57 none 17:36:59 nope 17:37:06 I'll ask around for rpi presenters. 17:37:07 ok, cool 17:37:14 thank you, stmiller! :) 17:37:29 and on that note - thank you everyone! 17:37:31 #endmeeting