17:31:44 #startmeeting 17:31:44 Meeting started Mon Apr 3 17:31:44 2017 UTC. The chair is whippythellama. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:31:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:31:54 #chair qqx stmiller whippythellama 17:31:54 Current chairs: qqx stmiller whippythellama 17:32:06 #topic Check for Agenda Additions 17:32:16 anything either of you would like to add? 17:32:36 Yes 17:32:52 cool - what's that? 17:33:04 We should probably have method of getting updated contact info for members. 17:33:38 ok, sounds good - let's discuss that in general business 17:33:57 we'll make the rest of the agenda quick 17:34:01 stmiller: anything from you? 17:34:26 nothing 17:34:37 ok, cool 17:34:40 #topic April Meeting 17:34:46 i'll be there 17:34:59 how about you guys? 17:35:01 Same, I'm coming 17:35:09 excellent! 17:35:26 i'll ping jeremyhwllc about sending the first round of announcements 17:35:28 I'll be there as well. 17:35:38 #action whippythellama ping jeremyhwllc regarding announcements 17:35:47 great, qqx! 17:36:03 ok, anything else about this month's meeting for now? 17:36:10 no 17:36:25 I'll ping Brian to make sure he's all set 17:36:30 The presenter Brian 17:36:33 that took me a second :) 17:36:43 ok, thank you stmiller :) 17:36:52 #topic Future Topics 17:37:02 #action stmiller give bjinwright a ping 17:37:14 i pinged our contact form person - i'm hoping we can get him for may 17:37:27 mhrivnak has indicated that june will work for him 17:37:59 and this month's speaker was interested in doing a follow-up in july, i believe 17:38:08 so that's a pretty good runway :) 17:38:33 have either of you run across any other presentations or speakers you think would be a good fit? 17:38:58 Not I. 17:39:05 Haven't yet, I'm still constantly asking around though 17:39:11 thank you, stmiller 17:39:28 ok, well like i said, we have some wiggle room yet :) 17:39:42 feel free to point any prospects my way 17:39:51 ok 17:40:08 movin along... 17:40:20 #topic Elections / Nominations 17:40:33 stmiller: have you tapped anyone as a prospective replacement yet? 17:41:16 qqx: if you're still planning on re-running (please! :), nominations are open - go ahead and self-nominate 17:41:23 ..speaking of which... 17:41:23 negative. I wonder if mmarley would consider 17:41:29 #action whippythellama self-nominate 17:41:38 stmiller: could be - wanna ping him? 17:41:39 #action qqx self-nominate 17:42:19 may as well make it a clean sweep... 17:42:25 #action mhrivnak self-nominate 17:42:32 #action jeremyhwllc self-nominate 17:42:34 there :) 17:42:39 i think that's it on elections for now 17:42:44 #topic Sponsorships 17:43:04 i have one potential on the hook, not sure for which month tho 17:43:21 if you guys have any leads in that arena, please pass em my way 17:44:04 that includes if you're chatting with a recruiter - if you want to send me their contact info, i'll follow up with them 17:44:16 ok yeah 17:44:42 ok, onward... 17:44:47 #topic Tech Items 17:45:00 anything on the pilot os upgrade, qqx? 17:45:08 No :( 17:45:15 and stmiller - any more work on the drupal replacement? 17:45:28 no problem - i can totally relate 17:45:47 $work is eating all kinds of my time lately 17:46:03 I've glanced at it, I think it is doable but probably after May 17:46:09 spring time is crazy for some reason 17:46:16 yeah, gotcha 17:46:23 let me ask this 17:46:52 are you planning on continuing to work on that after you've left the sc, or hand it off to the next sc? 17:47:09 it's fine either way, i just want to have an idea 17:47:45 oh, yeah will continue even post-sc 17:47:54 ok, that's awesome - thank you! :) 17:48:17 alright, movin right along... 17:48:25 #topic General Business 17:48:39 qqx: you wanted to talk about updating members' contact info 17:48:46 what's the context? 17:48:58 i mean, i'm not opposed to it - i'm just wondering how it came up 17:49:14 Most recent was a bunch of spam being sent through pilot using a member account. 17:49:38 The alternate email address in the membership DB is out of date, and there's no other contact info. 17:49:42 Might be also useful to reach out to someone storing tons of data 17:50:01 yeah, both good points 17:50:01 as another scenario 17:50:14 I think we have a few of those storing gigs 17:50:22 Fortunately in this case the name was fairly unique and I was able to find a different email address in the mailman subscriber list. 17:50:25 And not sure if they are active anymore 17:51:02 From what I recall the users using the most disk space are pretty clearly active. 17:51:10 so there's not currently a self-service type solution we have for folks to update their own info 17:51:18 that i'm aware of, at least 17:51:34 we can do it via the membership db interface, but it's one-at-a-time 17:51:58 Right. Having a way for them to do that would be a pretty much necessary pre-condition. 17:52:07 yeah, that's my thought 17:52:28 i have zero interest in going through 800+ members and updating addresses 17:52:48 For people that we have a current email address it would be pretty easy to ask them to verify that their info is up to date. 17:53:11 very true 17:53:16 But there isn't really a good way to handle cases where that is already outdated. 17:53:39 yeah, and the other thing is finding a way to do it so it's authenticated 17:53:54 very few have logins on the web site, and not everyone has a shell 17:54:09 so we need to put some thought into that 17:54:18 ideas? 17:54:29 And make sure communication doesn't look like a phishing scam 17:54:35 I think having a unique link per account with a hash, which we email to them. 17:54:53 lol... good point, stmiller - that is definitely a concern :) 17:54:53 Yeah, avoiding looking like phishing would be a definite issue. 17:55:14 hadn't gotten that far yet :) 17:55:56 hmm.... we could have them email us, and then we send back the link with their info if we find their email in the db 17:56:36 I'd like to avoid the need for us to be a part of it. 17:56:52 oh no - i meant automated 17:57:03 set up a 'validate.me@trilug.org' address 17:57:28 have it kick something off when it receives an email that checks if the sender is in the db 17:57:39 if it is, generate that hashed url you mentioned and send it back 17:58:04 because i'm completely on board with having as little manual intervention as possible 17:58:21 Having it initiated via email seems to be more difficult than doing that with a web page, and doesn't seem to have any advantages. 17:58:58 how would a web page version work? 17:59:33 Pretty much the same, they go to a web page, enter their email address and we send a unique link to that address. 17:59:38 ...we're coming up on time, btw; i can stick around a few minutes, but i just wanted to mention it in case either of you have a hard stop 18:00:15 We should probably also have a way for people to get the link from a shell account, for people who still have access to that but have an old email in the DB. 18:00:16 sure, that would work - and if they're not in the db, no mail is sent 18:00:19 Also since its voluntary to update one's info have to account for many users perhaps just ignoring 18:00:23 qqx: agreed 18:00:40 stmiller: also true 18:01:03 Might have to set some motivators if we can think of any. Old accounts: getting blah. Update your info, and unlock something. Or I don't yeah 18:01:08 Even if they aren't actively ignoring, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who we can't contact due to out dated info. 18:01:27 very true - we may have no choice but to do manual updates in those cases 18:01:34 but i'm hoping they're somewhat rare 18:01:47 between a web form and a shell solution, i mean 18:01:55 I'm mostly concerned about it for people with shell accounts. 18:02:07 as far as incentives go, it may be more of a stick than a carrot 18:02:16 One benefit for them is having a way to get the password reset when needed. 18:02:26 basically, our use cases are 'if we have any problems with your account, we need a way to get in touch with you' 18:02:46 so if we don't have a way to reach them, it's a locked account, that sort of thing 18:02:52 qqx: that too 18:04:23 ok, so we can come up with a basic sketch of what this will look like and see what the rest of the sc thinks - it seems like we have a decent start 18:04:36 But, it probably pays to wait on trying to implement the member UI for updating info until after the OS upgrade. 18:04:52 "sketch" being a description more than any kind of proof of concept 18:04:58 qqx: that's fine 18:05:36 this is something that's been missing for a long while - i don't think waiting a couple more months is going to kill us :) 18:05:48 Yep 18:05:52 ok, we're five minutes over - any other last minute items? 18:05:59 ...and thank you for bringing that up, qqx 18:06:00 Nothing here. 18:06:08 Go heels? 18:06:11 lol 18:06:40 nothing else for me 18:06:43 tar: heels not found 18:06:45 :) 18:07:00 ok, thanks guys! 18:07:04 #endmeeting