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17:37:20 <raub> #chair dfrustaglio bdmc dsmadcow raub
17:37:20 <Tribot> Current chairs: bdmc dfrustaglio dsmadcow raub
17:37:42 <raub> #topic Current Topics
17:37:43 <bdmc> I'm sure that you will all be pleased that our pizza cost this month was $0.
17:37:57 <raub> lol
17:38:09 <dsmadcow> bdmc what is our normal pizze cost?
17:38:27 <bdmc> $170 or so, with the summer reduction.
17:38:28 <raub> dsmadcow: summer vs fall?
17:39:01 <dsmadcow> I need to discuss sponser with NOV talk and wanted a dollar amout to provide
17:39:27 <bdmc> Don't we have a "sponsor cost" already defined?
17:39:39 <raub> dsmadcow: private or corporate?
17:40:00 <raub> bdmc: AFAIK, yes: $100, $200, $300
17:40:08 <raub> for event sponsor
17:41:43 <raub> So, does anyone want to go to the month ATO meetup event and give a talk?
17:42:13 <bdmc> $200 should just cover our expenses.  $300 would add a bit to the bank account.
17:42:19 <raub> dsmadcow: https://trilug.org/sponsor-faq/ under "Meeting Sponsor"
17:42:28 <dsmadcow> yea that is what I was thinking $300
17:42:34 <bdmc> at $100, we depend on "the hat."
17:42:38 <raub> bdmc: I agree completely
17:43:00 <raub> I still want to find a sponsor who wants to drop $1K+
17:43:02 <dsmadcow> corporate sponsor so I will ask for 300.
17:43:21 <bdmc> Will they be "selling" anything?
17:43:41 <raub> dsmadcow: sounds like a plan to me. FYI, compare to $5K+ for meeting sponsorship for an ISSA meeting
17:44:45 <dsmadcow> true
17:45:02 <bdmc> I presume so, otherwise why would they want to sponsor one of our meetings.
17:45:55 <dsmadcow> they did not say, I will inquire when I email him
17:45:59 <dfrustaglio> On the sponsor note
17:46:28 <dfrustaglio> would anyone object if we had a real realtor sponsor a meeting
17:46:43 <bdmc> As opposed to an unreal realtor?
17:46:49 <dfrustaglio> typing
17:46:52 <dfrustaglio> error
17:46:59 <dfrustaglio> good comeback
17:47:14 <bdmc> I don't.
17:47:26 <dfrustaglio> it would be my wife
17:47:31 <raub> Nor I.
17:47:33 <dfrustaglio> just a thought
17:47:34 <raub> Aha
17:47:40 <dfrustaglio> a 200 dollar one
17:48:03 <bdmc> I would welcome almost anybody who wanted to help out.
17:48:08 <raub> If her company is also looking for IT people, good time to look for them
17:48:09 <dfrustaglio> she would have the customary 5 min to talk services
17:48:38 <dfrustaglio> OK, I will discuss with her
17:48:45 <raub> Sure
17:49:00 <bdmc> October or January, from what I can see.
17:49:03 <raub> Also, didn't TEK System sponsor us before?
17:49:11 <bdmc> Yes.
17:49:22 <raub> We should ping them again
17:49:23 <bdmc> They have visited periodically.
17:50:32 <bdmc> I presume that everybody saw my reply to Chris Russo.
17:50:42 <raub> bdmc: yep
17:51:10 <raub> #topic Future Topics
17:51:49 <bdmc> Just slide me behind that title.
17:52:01 <raub> Heh
17:52:17 <bdmc> dsmadcow: You have November, correct?  ( speaker for )
17:52:48 <raub> I believe that will be Zenoss, who also seem to have offered to sponsor
17:53:05 <bdmc> OK, so that takes care of the rest of the year.
17:53:16 <bdmc> Now, on to January.....
17:53:20 <dsmadcow> yes Nov is good, I need to send the email to him aobut sponsor info but they are confirmed for Nov
17:54:05 <bdmc> I don't have a calendar in front of me, so I don't know where the pencil marks are.
17:54:47 <bdmc> Do we have anything for next year?
17:54:48 <raub> I just sent out the agenda. The link for calendar is on the bottom
17:55:15 <raub> bdmc: that is exactly what I want us to talk about: we need to be thinking on
17:55:21 <raub> 1) December meeting
17:55:25 <raub> 2) Next year
17:55:38 <raub> (Speakers + Finance)
17:55:51 <bdmc> I thought that December was already decided.  Just like previous years.
17:56:11 <raub> bdmc: yeah, but we need to talk what and where
17:56:13 <dsmadcow> Dec is usualy our social, show off your projects meeting
17:57:48 <raub> we do not need to talk about it today but we do need to. Don't want us to be on Dec 1st still trying to find where it will take place
17:58:06 <bdmc> Yes, where is a question, unless we can get Michael to sponsor us again.
17:58:18 <raub> Exactly
17:59:08 <raub> And ATO is next month
17:59:57 <bdmc> I suppose that I didn't need to wait for the weather, but now that that is over, I will definitely send Todd a message about that.
18:00:32 <bdmc> need to drop out for a bit.....
18:00:37 <raub> bdmc: no worries
18:00:54 <raub> #topic General Business
18:01:13 <raub> So, why should I business sponsor us?
18:03:03 <bdmc> back for a little bit....
18:03:22 <raub> K
18:03:24 <raub> wb
18:03:26 <bdmc> The usual answer is "to get their name out, to a specific group."
18:04:30 <raub> bdmc: I ask because https://trilug.org/sponsor-faq/ is not particularly forward about that
18:05:02 <bdmc> I suspect that the authors of that were leaving things wide open.
18:06:14 <raub> "TriLUG depends on contributions from members and sponsors to pay for food/drink at meetings and other events." That only tells why *we* want it.
18:06:24 <bdmc> exactly
18:06:35 <bdmc> no benefits for the sponsors
18:07:19 <bdmc> In our spare time, we could ( should ) work on that.
18:07:35 <dfrustaglio> Yeah we should have a hook line
18:07:39 <bdmc> Does anybody have any "samples" from other organizations?
18:08:58 <dfrustaglio> go to https://www.meetup.com/Triangle-Java-Users-Group/
18:09:17 <dfrustaglio> look under sponsorship verbiage toward the bottom
18:09:45 <raub> I was also looking at https://allthingsopen.org/call-for-sponsors/
18:10:05 <raub> I do like what they did at https://allthingsopen.org/why-attend/
18:10:25 <dfrustaglio> it talks swag and pizza sponsoshipor
18:10:37 <raub> dfrustaglio: yep
18:10:43 <bdmc> dfrustaglio: that says the same thing that our page does
18:11:30 <raub> dfrustaglio: how successful is trijug and sponsors?
18:11:52 <bdmc> raub: not much more than "we depend on your money."
18:12:37 <bdmc> raub: the second says why attendees should be there, not sponsors
18:13:30 <bdmc> I will try and keep my eyes open for more useful content.
18:14:03 <raub> bdmc: they do not seem to be hurting for sponsors
18:15:22 <bdmc> No, because ATO has a name, a well-known brand now, and sponsors know that their names will be seen by more than 3,000 people, many of whom are senior in their organizations.
18:16:18 <dfrustaglio> sorry had to step away for a moment
18:16:24 <raub> bdmc: hopefully we will help put our nam eout during ATO
18:16:25 <bdmc> TriLUG is also well-known within a specific circle, mostly local to the Triangle area.
18:16:36 <dfrustaglio> Trijug  has tech systems sponsor the Pizza every month
18:16:52 <bdmc> But once you get out of that circle, less so.
18:17:19 <dfrustaglio> granted the  meetup usually dos not exceed 50-60 people
18:17:44 <dfrustaglio> but the recruiters are looking for Java people specifically
18:17:57 <bdmc> dfrustaglio: so they have somebody in attendence at every meeting, with a credit card?
18:18:26 <dfrustaglio> usually
18:18:57 <dfrustaglio> and they speak for about a minute at each meeting during have job need a job
18:19:14 <bdmc> would expect so
18:20:28 <raub> Anyway, I just want us to be thinking on that for next year
18:20:51 <raub> (or earlier)
18:20:52 <bdmc> So, "please give us money, and we will tell people that you sponsored us.  We'll also let you talk for a few minutes in front of the crowd."
18:21:25 <bdmc> That's what we already say, and it is similar to everything else that we have seen today.
18:22:31 <raub> bdmc: that may be the case, but I do have that feel we are leaving something on the table
18:22:51 <raub> Maybe we are being not proactive enough. I dunno
18:22:54 <bdmc> I completely agree.
18:23:12 <bdmc> It is just that the examples that we have found so far, aren't very helpful.
18:23:16 <raub> I wish I could point it out so we could take care of it
18:23:26 <raub> bdmc: We have to start somewhere
18:23:45 <dfrustaglio> I do have to roll
18:23:50 <bdmc> True.   As I said, I will try and watch for other examples.
18:24:06 <bdmc> Don't roll too far downhill.
18:24:07 <raub> FYI, friend of mine started bsides orlando. First year it was most poeple he knew. And that was already a 2 day event
18:24:20 <raub> bsides raleigh is a 1 day event.
18:24:39 <raub> I will ask him for pointers...
18:24:54 <raub> dfrustaglio: we are way past bedtime here
18:25:09 <raub> Should we end meeting now? We can continue on email
18:25:17 <bdmc> I agree.
18:25:19 <dsmadcow> that will work
18:25:21 <dfrustaglio> agreed
18:25:26 <raub> Allright then
18:25:29 <raub> #endmeeting