18:44:58 #startmeeting 18:44:58 Meeting started Mon Dec 17 18:44:58 2018 UTC. The chair is raub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:44:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:45:25 #chair bdmc raub 18:45:25 Current chairs: bdmc raub 18:45:36 I have always thought that there were a coupld of useful commands missing from that list. 18:45:38 #topic 1. Check for Agenda Additions 18:45:45 Don't think we have anything here 18:46:02 Nothing that I know of. 18:46:05 #topic 2. Current Topics 18:46:13 Nothing of which I know, that is. 18:46:16 All I can think off is the netactuate logos 18:46:28 I saw you emailed her on Nov 2nd 18:46:35 I am using that thread to ping her 18:46:49 Yes. After that, I just nagged you. 18:47:04 Sure thing 18:47:08 #topic 3. Future Topics 18:47:34 Next year, right? 18:47:38 Yep 18:47:54 We need to find out what is happening with the drupal presentation 18:48:07 As you know, I have been resisting getting in touch with Chris until I know what month to talk to him about. 18:48:46 If we have nothing on Feb? Or let him pick a month besides the ones we have tied down 18:49:14 I that I know of is March. 18:49:37 Yeah, we are still in the open. Let me check the wiki 18:49:50 Not many sures 18:50:07 I know that Lauren, as far as I remember, WAS promoting January at ATO, but I would like a confirmation. 18:50:25 I agree 18:51:09 Offer Chris February or April, and if January falls through, we tap-dance our way through that? 18:51:44 I am concerned because I want to reach out to places like packpub an dno starch press to see if we can get a nice intro to linux book and have it to be given out and offered at a discount 18:51:58 Or apress 18:52:17 I agree. That ( or O'Reilly ) would be a great addition. 18:52:19 I think we should plan to have a backup guy for Jan 18:52:29 Yep 18:52:33 Same topic, or something else? 18:52:45 #action raub reach out to publishers for an intro to linux book 18:52:48 Same 18:53:06 Command line, or GUI? 18:53:07 If we can't teach a basic linux class, we have major issues 18:53:33 I have here an press book called "beginning ubunto for windows and mac users" 18:53:44 That kind of audience 18:53:56 So base the presentation on that book? 18:53:57 They need to be able to create the VM and then run it first 18:54:09 then we can do command line 18:54:10 Wow. That is ambitious. 18:54:45 Possibly. But if they can't get it started everything else is useless 18:55:01 OK. So "installing VirtualBox, getting a disk image, starting it, getting to a termainal, etc. " 18:55:11 I was mentioning the book because I got it for free at ATO 18:55:13 Yep 18:55:39 We can write the slides/notes together and then have them available 18:55:44 So are we doing this as a Lab at our regular place, or just a "demo?" 18:56:27 I thought we would start at the regular place and then use the hacknights location for further classes 18:56:42 Perhaps a complete "memory stick, with VirtualBox installer, Ubuntu ( or something ) ISO, notes ( PDF? )." 18:56:45 so day 1 is overview and get people to the point they can see shell 18:56:56 Yep 18:57:24 Maybe one of those forms so we know how many are interested 18:57:36 I wonder if the "new Intrex" would give us a discount on a batch order of memory sticks ( smallest that they offer ). 18:57:51 We have to ask 18:57:57 We shouldn't need as much as 16G. 18:58:04 Agreed 18:58:17 Probably less than 8. 18:58:30 Might be hard to get them that small nowadays 18:58:35 And you want to do this in two weeks? 18:58:44 ( welll, maybe thre ) 18:58:48 three 18:59:04 We are not going to be giving out USBs. More like we will have a few during the meeting 18:59:36 Creating multiples from a master shouldn't be difficult. It is the master that will take time. 19:00:02 I have no idea where to start for both Windows and Mac. 19:00:23 Separate directories? 19:00:42 Make a windows USB, throw vbox for both windows and mac. Throw ubuntu ISO. done 19:00:55 Don't make it complicate 19:01:10 From our recent experience, I'm not sure that I want Ubuntu itself. 19:01:26 But both Debian and CentOS are possible. 19:01:49 ( Fedora? ) 19:02:00 ( SuSE? ) 19:02:15 Don't care. We pick one that is easy on the user. Like, it has a liveCD and so on 19:02:16 ( Get Dwayne involved? ) 19:02:23 If he wants to 19:02:58 Don't want this to turn into a linux distro war 19:02:58 Exactly. I think that they all do, but a little research will say so. Debian may be Install only, but remember that we are doing this in a VirtualBox. 19:03:17 Yes 19:03:30 I don't know that we want to do a LiveCD in VirtualBox. 19:04:22 It has to be easy install and easy to use and can do most of what they expect in a normal install (office, browser, maybe youtube, and then shell) 19:05:04 Exactly. I would say that any of those ( Desktop versions, of course ) would fit the bill. 19:05:29 Good. 19:05:37 So, do we have a plan? 19:05:48 I suspect that we don't want to get into KDE, though. Not yet. 19:06:20 That may leave SuSE out. Don't know for sure about Fedora. Don't think so. 19:06:44 I think you are overthinking this 19:07:05 Reach out to Dwayne, tell him our goal, and see what he thinks 19:07:10 If you are working from a book featuring Ubuntu, then KDE is out. 19:07:33 They do have a KDE version, but not the one that most people will encounter. 19:07:35 It is just a book! There is nothign saying we have to use it 19:07:45 or even ubuntu for that matter. 19:08:10 Exactly, but it would be a useful guide, I would think. Give us the major steps. 19:08:51 Exactly 19:08:57 For instance, I was wondering whether there is anything special that we need to do to get VirtualBox on Windows or Mac. 19:09:09 Not AFAIK 19:09:14 Run the install 19:09:16 Start it 19:09:25 create vm 19:09:29 attach iso 19:09:40 by default vm run in nat mode, so internet 19:09:54 Is it just, as it is in Windows, just an executable file, or some other form? I guess that you just choose the appropriate target on their web site. 19:10:03 Later can add vbox extensions so they can share files 19:10:09 yes 19:10:19 and clipboard between host and guest 19:10:26 ( and burn it on the memory stick. ) 19:10:34 Yes 19:11:07 OK. So you said that we would only have a few memory sticks -- one for the "presenter," and? 19:11:58 I need to run 19:12:08 #endmeeting