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17:38:42 <raub> #chair bdmc mamarley raub
17:38:42 <Tribot> Current chairs: bdmc mamarley raub
17:38:56 <raub> #topic 1. Check for Agenda Additions
17:38:59 <bdmc> You think that his machine didn't actually fall on the floor?
17:39:24 <raub> bdmc: trying to escape?
17:39:25 <bdmc> I have a Financial note, and I am concerned about all of the mail error messages.
17:39:29 <raub> (the machine)
17:39:33 <bdmc> B-)
17:39:50 <raub> bdmc: FInancial we have a place for that
17:40:00 <raub> email error messages will be a topic
17:40:02 <raub> so,
17:40:09 <raub> 2. Current Topics
17:40:21 <bdmc> Up Up and Away!
17:40:25 <raub> First we will do last meeting and then email
17:40:57 <raub> So, for a backup meeting it was not bad
17:41:12 <bdmc> Although I think that he has some interesting things to talk about, he is not an exciting speaker.
17:41:22 <raub> I agree completely
17:41:29 <raub> Specially when he is pain
17:41:35 <bdmc> true
17:42:04 <bdmc> However, as you say, I was very pleased that he stepped ( or hobbled ) up to the plate.
17:42:35 <raub> Yep. FYI, I will come up with an emergency talk I can give in an emergency
17:42:51 <bdmc> Discussing emergencies, I presume.
17:43:23 <raub> bdmc: only if approved by the redundand department of redundant redundancies
17:43:45 <raub> bdmc: I do need to send out an email to the list though
17:43:51 <raub> i.e.
17:43:53 <bdmc> Absolutely!
17:43:59 <raub> - Bag != trash
17:44:03 <mamarley> I might be able to give a talk on one of the homebrew Linux router setups I have done in an emergency, but it might not be very engaging.
17:44:11 <raub> - Contributions
17:44:17 <bdmc> You never know.
17:44:45 <raub> bdmc, mamarley: exactly
17:44:59 <raub> What else should be in the email?
17:45:05 <bdmc> Something that we were talking about on Thursday was that our audience is scared to come because they think that we are too high-brow.
17:45:18 <raub> Yep
17:45:34 <raub> Which would lead to my "what do you want us to talk about?"
17:45:40 <bdmc> Certainly some of the talks require some prior knowledge, but I think that we can aim for a different group as well.
17:45:53 <raub> Alternate a bit
17:46:00 <bdmc> Exactly.
17:46:07 <bdmc> Or have two sections to a night.
17:46:19 <bdmc> The Easy part and the Hard part.
17:46:36 <raub> If we can pull that out, sure. We are still have issues filling all the slots we have
17:46:51 <raub> But, I was also thinking on hacknights
17:47:46 <bdmc> But perhaps if we advertise that we are looking for "introductory," or "application-level" material, and no more than ( half an hour, 15 minutes ), we might get more takers.
17:48:24 <raub> OK. I will put something together and send to the steering list for comments. No comments == I will send as it is
17:49:42 <bdmc> You should get comments from one or two of us....
17:50:00 <raub> Hopefully one of them is not me ;)
17:50:29 <bdmc> YOu never know!  B-)
17:50:51 <bdmc> Could be your evil twin.
17:51:01 <raub> You mean, my good twin
17:51:14 <bdmc> Ahhh.  That's the one.
17:51:20 <raub> Yep
17:51:23 <raub> Moving on...
17:51:29 <raub> #topic 3. Future Topics
17:51:32 <bdmc> Anyway, back to something resembling business.
17:51:37 <mamarley> His nick, after all, does mean "robbery" in German. :P
17:51:54 <raub> mamarley: I try
17:52:34 <raub> Next month's meeting should be an easier deal. We know the speaker and have the info. I will put the trilug page up this week
17:52:49 <raub> Unless mamarley wants to take a go at it
17:53:42 <bdmc> Hear the crickets?
17:53:48 <mamarley> I can do it later this week, but early in the week I am busy.
17:54:00 <mamarley> bdmc: I'm at work, I can't stare constantly at the IRC client.
17:54:03 <raub> OK
17:54:08 <bdmc> Even so, it will be a lot earlier than usual.
17:54:14 <raub> mamarley: I too am at work
17:54:30 <bdmc> Besides the TriLUG page, what about Meetup and the Meeting Announcement?
17:54:37 <raub> Yep
17:55:06 <raub> mamarley: did the meetup page last time. I was wondering if he wanted to play with the others
17:55:29 <bdmc> You only mentioned the TriLUG page, so I wasn't sure.
17:55:37 <raub> K
17:55:37 <mamarley> By announcement, do you  mean the mail sent from Meetup?  I sent that for the last two meetings.
17:55:45 <raub> Yep
17:58:52 <bdmc> Well, I was talking about the TriLUG Mailing List.
17:59:32 <raub> So, mamarley, that and what bdmc said
17:59:45 <mamarley> OK
18:00:02 <raub> Moving on to
18:00:04 <raub> #topic 4. Tech Items
18:00:13 <raub> bdmc: mail time
18:00:17 <bdmc> We should have this published three times, the TriLUG web site, the TriLUG mailing list, and Meetup.
18:01:44 <bdmc> I have been receiving a LOT of messages from Pilot, saying that many of our mailing list members, as well, as I understand, people using Pilot to forward mail, are bouncing, claiming that Pilot is on SPAM lists.
18:02:15 <raub> I did see a thread on that. I will see if I can investigate that this week.
18:03:14 <bdmc> As I understood, and I could easily be wrong, that thread was regarding the people using Pilot to forward mail.
18:03:41 <bdmc> Do you get these messages from "mailer-daemon" on Pilot?
18:04:05 <raub> Nope
18:04:12 <bdmc> And from Mailman on Pilot.
18:04:34 <raub> Sometimes but not those. But, it did tell me something might be boink
18:04:35 <bdmc> The Mailman messages are sent to "trilug-owner@trilug.org."
18:04:46 <raub> I will look for them
18:05:21 <raub> Could you email me some of those messages?
18:05:32 <bdmc> I also get messages from "mailman-bounces@trilug.org."
18:06:22 <bdmc> GMail account?
18:07:07 <raub> Yep
18:07:55 <bdmc> I have sent two different types of error messages to your address.
18:08:18 <bdmc> One of them is reporting on bgerard, lauren.drew, and others.
18:08:43 <bdmc> Oh, yes.  You and Aaron are on that list, too.
18:08:55 <raub> Interesting
18:09:38 <bdmc> Basically, as I read it, GMail is bouncing these messages, and refusing to deliver them to you.
18:10:27 <bdmc> Certainly, some of these bounces are legitimate, unless you really want sunglasses.
18:10:31 <raub> OK. I will have to investigate that
18:10:43 <raub> bdmc: I actually buy mine 3 at a time...
18:10:51 <bdmc> B-)
18:11:28 <raub> Moving one finally to
18:11:30 <raub> #topic
18:11:34 <raub> $topic 5. General Business
18:11:39 <raub> Finance time
18:12:32 <bdmc> OK.  It has timed out, but I had the account up on the screen ( different window! ), and we have approximately $173 in "the bank," after all of the Thursday transactions were complete.
18:13:50 <raub> A bit better than I expected
18:14:03 <bdmc> I have not reimbursed myself, yet.
18:14:08 <raub> And, the IRS thingie is send out, right?
18:14:20 <bdmc> Yes, that is gone from the account.
18:14:23 <raub> bdmc: at least take half of what we owe you
18:14:38 <bdmc> OK.  That would be about $75.
18:14:50 <raub> Yes, so I will not feel too bad
18:15:07 <bdmc> Which would leave enough to cover next month, with the pick-up order.
18:15:14 * raub wonders how would that be possible for that requires to be able to feel
18:15:20 <raub> Good
18:15:28 <bdmc> ????
18:15:32 <raub> So, pickup order good financially?
18:15:37 <raub> bdmc: me feeling for others
18:15:46 <bdmc> About $80
18:15:54 <raub> Much better
18:16:12 <raub> Do you think meetup has been useful as estimator for attendance?
18:16:39 <bdmc> I'm not sure that we are able to get the "non-tax" with that.  I guess that I would need to ask.
18:17:17 <mamarley> Even then, the tax would be much less than $4/pizza, so we still come out ahead.
18:18:12 <bdmc> If last month and this were about the same attendence, yes.   According to Meetup, they were both 21 people.
18:18:52 <raub> I forgot to count heads
18:19:08 <bdmc> Brian's last time, in April, was 26.
18:19:40 <bdmc> I didn't either, but my guess would be about two dozen.
18:19:51 <raub> Yeah
18:20:20 <bdmc> April I would have guessed at least three, probably more.
18:20:21 <mamarley> That sounds about right.
18:23:08 <raub> So, the contributions were less than 50% of cost still
18:23:16 <raub> But it looked like we have less waste this time
18:23:54 <mamarley> Perhaps if we alluded to our financial difficulties, people would donate more?
18:24:28 <raub> I honestly do not know
18:24:32 <bdmc> That was what I was suggesting Mauricio add to his announcements.  Perhaps that is part of the e-mail message, instead.
18:25:16 <bdmc> We say that "you are the sponsor," but that really doesn't mean much to people, until we put hard numbers to it.
18:25:26 <raub> I agree
18:29:41 <raub> Anything else we should talk about?
18:30:58 <bdmc> Not that I can think of.
18:31:06 <raub> mamarley?
18:31:21 <bdmc> I will take $75 from the account for my June expense.
18:31:28 <raub> Good
18:32:20 <mamarley> raub: Nope
18:32:42 <raub> Ok, then you may run away flailing your arms now
18:32:47 <raub> #endmeeting