17:38:32 #startmeeting 17:38:32 Meeting started Mon Jul 15 17:38:32 2019 UTC. The chair is raub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:38:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:38:42 #chair bdmc mamarley raub 17:38:42 Current chairs: bdmc mamarley raub 17:38:56 #topic 1. Check for Agenda Additions 17:38:59 You think that his machine didn't actually fall on the floor? 17:39:24 bdmc: trying to escape? 17:39:25 I have a Financial note, and I am concerned about all of the mail error messages. 17:39:29 (the machine) 17:39:33 B-) 17:39:50 bdmc: FInancial we have a place for that 17:40:00 email error messages will be a topic 17:40:02 so, 17:40:09 2. Current Topics 17:40:21 Up Up and Away! 17:40:25 First we will do last meeting and then email 17:40:57 So, for a backup meeting it was not bad 17:41:12 Although I think that he has some interesting things to talk about, he is not an exciting speaker. 17:41:22 I agree completely 17:41:29 Specially when he is pain 17:41:35 true 17:42:04 However, as you say, I was very pleased that he stepped ( or hobbled ) up to the plate. 17:42:35 Yep. FYI, I will come up with an emergency talk I can give in an emergency 17:42:51 Discussing emergencies, I presume. 17:43:23 bdmc: only if approved by the redundand department of redundant redundancies 17:43:45 bdmc: I do need to send out an email to the list though 17:43:51 i.e. 17:43:53 Absolutely! 17:43:59 - Bag != trash 17:44:03 I might be able to give a talk on one of the homebrew Linux router setups I have done in an emergency, but it might not be very engaging. 17:44:11 - Contributions 17:44:17 You never know. 17:44:45 bdmc, mamarley: exactly 17:44:59 What else should be in the email? 17:45:05 Something that we were talking about on Thursday was that our audience is scared to come because they think that we are too high-brow. 17:45:18 Yep 17:45:34 Which would lead to my "what do you want us to talk about?" 17:45:40 Certainly some of the talks require some prior knowledge, but I think that we can aim for a different group as well. 17:45:53 Alternate a bit 17:46:00 Exactly. 17:46:07 Or have two sections to a night. 17:46:19 The Easy part and the Hard part. 17:46:36 If we can pull that out, sure. We are still have issues filling all the slots we have 17:46:51 But, I was also thinking on hacknights 17:47:46 But perhaps if we advertise that we are looking for "introductory," or "application-level" material, and no more than ( half an hour, 15 minutes ), we might get more takers. 17:48:24 OK. I will put something together and send to the steering list for comments. No comments == I will send as it is 17:49:42 You should get comments from one or two of us.... 17:50:00 Hopefully one of them is not me ;) 17:50:29 YOu never know! B-) 17:50:51 Could be your evil twin. 17:51:01 You mean, my good twin 17:51:14 Ahhh. That's the one. 17:51:20 Yep 17:51:23 Moving on... 17:51:29 #topic 3. Future Topics 17:51:32 Anyway, back to something resembling business. 17:51:37 His nick, after all, does mean "robbery" in German. :P 17:51:54 mamarley: I try 17:52:34 Next month's meeting should be an easier deal. We know the speaker and have the info. I will put the trilug page up this week 17:52:49 Unless mamarley wants to take a go at it 17:53:42 Hear the crickets? 17:53:48 I can do it later this week, but early in the week I am busy. 17:54:00 bdmc: I'm at work, I can't stare constantly at the IRC client. 17:54:03 OK 17:54:08 Even so, it will be a lot earlier than usual. 17:54:14 mamarley: I too am at work 17:54:30 Besides the TriLUG page, what about Meetup and the Meeting Announcement? 17:54:37 Yep 17:55:06 mamarley: did the meetup page last time. I was wondering if he wanted to play with the others 17:55:29 You only mentioned the TriLUG page, so I wasn't sure. 17:55:37 K 17:55:37 By announcement, do you mean the mail sent from Meetup? I sent that for the last two meetings. 17:55:45 Yep 17:58:52 Well, I was talking about the TriLUG Mailing List. 17:59:32 So, mamarley, that and what bdmc said 17:59:45 OK 18:00:02 Moving on to 18:00:04 #topic 4. Tech Items 18:00:13 bdmc: mail time 18:00:17 We should have this published three times, the TriLUG web site, the TriLUG mailing list, and Meetup. 18:01:44 I have been receiving a LOT of messages from Pilot, saying that many of our mailing list members, as well, as I understand, people using Pilot to forward mail, are bouncing, claiming that Pilot is on SPAM lists. 18:02:15 I did see a thread on that. I will see if I can investigate that this week. 18:03:14 As I understood, and I could easily be wrong, that thread was regarding the people using Pilot to forward mail. 18:03:41 Do you get these messages from "mailer-daemon" on Pilot? 18:04:05 Nope 18:04:12 And from Mailman on Pilot. 18:04:34 Sometimes but not those. But, it did tell me something might be boink 18:04:35 The Mailman messages are sent to "trilug-owner@trilug.org." 18:04:46 I will look for them 18:05:21 Could you email me some of those messages? 18:05:32 I also get messages from "mailman-bounces@trilug.org." 18:06:22 GMail account? 18:07:07 Yep 18:07:55 I have sent two different types of error messages to your address. 18:08:18 One of them is reporting on bgerard, lauren.drew, and others. 18:08:43 Oh, yes. You and Aaron are on that list, too. 18:08:55 Interesting 18:09:38 Basically, as I read it, GMail is bouncing these messages, and refusing to deliver them to you. 18:10:27 Certainly, some of these bounces are legitimate, unless you really want sunglasses. 18:10:31 OK. I will have to investigate that 18:10:43 bdmc: I actually buy mine 3 at a time... 18:10:51 B-) 18:11:28 Moving one finally to 18:11:30 #topic 18:11:34 $topic 5. General Business 18:11:39 Finance time 18:12:32 OK. It has timed out, but I had the account up on the screen ( different window! ), and we have approximately $173 in "the bank," after all of the Thursday transactions were complete. 18:13:50 A bit better than I expected 18:14:03 I have not reimbursed myself, yet. 18:14:08 And, the IRS thingie is send out, right? 18:14:20 Yes, that is gone from the account. 18:14:23 bdmc: at least take half of what we owe you 18:14:38 OK. That would be about $75. 18:14:50 Yes, so I will not feel too bad 18:15:07 Which would leave enough to cover next month, with the pick-up order. 18:15:14 * raub wonders how would that be possible for that requires to be able to feel 18:15:20 Good 18:15:28 ???? 18:15:32 So, pickup order good financially? 18:15:37 bdmc: me feeling for others 18:15:46 About $80 18:15:54 Much better 18:16:12 Do you think meetup has been useful as estimator for attendance? 18:16:39 I'm not sure that we are able to get the "non-tax" with that. I guess that I would need to ask. 18:17:17 Even then, the tax would be much less than $4/pizza, so we still come out ahead. 18:18:12 If last month and this were about the same attendence, yes. According to Meetup, they were both 21 people. 18:18:52 I forgot to count heads 18:19:08 Brian's last time, in April, was 26. 18:19:40 I didn't either, but my guess would be about two dozen. 18:19:51 Yeah 18:20:20 April I would have guessed at least three, probably more. 18:20:21 That sounds about right. 18:23:08 So, the contributions were less than 50% of cost still 18:23:16 But it looked like we have less waste this time 18:23:54 Perhaps if we alluded to our financial difficulties, people would donate more? 18:24:28 I honestly do not know 18:24:32 That was what I was suggesting Mauricio add to his announcements. Perhaps that is part of the e-mail message, instead. 18:25:16 We say that "you are the sponsor," but that really doesn't mean much to people, until we put hard numbers to it. 18:25:26 I agree 18:29:41 Anything else we should talk about? 18:30:58 Not that I can think of. 18:31:06 mamarley? 18:31:21 I will take $75 from the account for my June expense. 18:31:28 Good 18:32:20 raub: Nope 18:32:42 Ok, then you may run away flailing your arms now 18:32:47 #endmeeting