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17:43:59 <raub> #chair bdmc mamarley raub
17:43:59 <Tribot> Current chairs: bdmc mamarley raub
17:44:13 <raub> #topic 1. Check for Agenda Additions
17:45:11 <raub> I take that is a no
17:45:34 <bdmc> Not I.
17:45:47 <raub> #topic 2. Current Topics
17:46:07 <raub> Last meeting was a good one IMHO
17:46:14 <bdmc> VERY good.
17:46:19 <bdmc> In a lot of ways.
17:46:28 <raub> I will upload pictures tonight or tomorrow
17:46:29 <mamarley> I agree.  Peter's technical knowledge is always impressive.
17:46:46 <raub> Oh yeah. And he seemed pleased with the questions
17:47:13 <raub> Which leads to the next month's meeting
17:47:21 <bdmc> A friend of mine was reminding me ( and others ) about the "Love Languages," and, for some of us, it is "words of affirmation."  That meeting attendence and everything else, felt like that.
17:47:44 <raub> bdmc: indeed
17:48:39 <raub> For Sept 12, I am concerned. I thougt I had emailed the speaker multiple times but cannot find said emails. I did send out an email asking for info
17:48:41 <bdmc> ( off topic ) I liked the work Crystobal put into his comments on the survey.
17:48:51 <raub> Let's see if we get a reply
17:49:06 <bdmc> I don't think that they were copied to the Steering mailing list.
17:49:26 <raub> bdmc: That topic will be under d. Rest of the year, per agenda
17:50:28 <bdmc> That's what I thought ( that it ought to be elsewhere ).
17:51:24 <raub> In any case, I would like us to start planning for a plan B talk. Also, I will reach out to Tek systems and see if they want a presentation slot. And other potentian speakers for Oct and Nov and then what we will do for Dec
17:51:52 <bdmc> I thought that that was "Future Topics."
17:51:52 <raub> For    d. Rest of the year,
17:52:05 <raub> I guess I ran over to it
17:52:39 <raub> But you are right. For now we should think on backup plan for Sept
17:52:44 <bdmc> As far as September, do either of you have something that you have been playing with that people might find interesting?
17:53:15 <bdmc> If we had the survey out, we could use that information.
17:53:20 <raub> I'd have to see if I have something ready to be presented
17:53:39 <bdmc> One other possibility might be a "Linux and Open Source News" segment, with Q&A.
17:54:00 <mamarley> I've toyed with the idea of doing a presentation about my homebrew Linux router, but I tried doing that for ncsulug a while back and it didn't go very well.
17:54:01 <bdmc> I don't know how that might be advertised, though.
17:54:17 <bdmc> mamarley: They had no taste!
17:54:58 <mamarley> No, it was more my fault.  It also didn't help that the Internet went out at my house right before I was about to give the presentation, so I couldn't SSH into the darn thing to show my configuration…
17:55:06 <bdmc> I think that that has some real possibilties, particularly if you ( or you might ) compare it with "off-the-shelf" solutions like OpenWRT.
17:55:36 <mamarley> I could certainly compare it to OpenWRT, as I used OpenWRT as my router before setting this thing up.
17:55:50 <raub> Good
17:55:57 <bdmc> It ties in with my "System Administration for Fun, not Profit" survey topic.
17:56:27 <bdmc> If you don't need it for September, you could certainly have one of the other months.
17:56:31 <raub> I myself am trying to get to proposal abstracts due this Friday done, so I will only think on a talk after that
17:56:40 <raub> bdmc: exactly
17:57:01 <mamarley> (Please not that this does not constitute me agreeing to give a talk, only that I have considered it.)
17:57:32 <bdmc> raub: I did something like that this morning -- an "editing" test for a company that MIGHT hire me.   ( Here is a sample document, edit it. )
17:57:32 <mamarley> Another problem that would be encountered is that I am a quiet person and people in the back would not be able to hear me.
17:57:41 <raub> mamarley: I am more about looking for options
17:57:58 <bdmc> That is why we have a PA system.
17:57:59 <raub> You might even volunteer one of your coworkers if you want
17:58:22 <raub> (not to give your talk that is)
17:58:32 <bdmc> Or do a quick Theatre course, and learn about "projection!"
17:58:56 <raub> That is something I need to do one day; I am too quiet
17:59:04 <bdmc> Yes, we know.
17:59:17 <mamarley> The problem is that I have no mid-volume-range.  I *can* go loud, but then I just sound upset and angry.
17:59:43 <raub> Or passionate about what you are talking about
18:00:12 <raub> if you really want to sound upset and angry we can get a rambo wig so you look like a metalhead. Then it will be expected
18:00:53 <raub> Moving on,
18:00:56 <raub> #topic 3. Future Topics
18:02:09 <raub> I think it is time for us to put speakers on Nov and Oct
18:02:23 <raub> If you have any candidates, do let me know
18:02:24 <bdmc> Well, we just got a tentative one.
18:02:31 <raub> I will be proding some
18:02:43 * mamarley hides.
18:02:45 <raub> bdmc: I take you mean Dr. Jasper
18:02:51 <bdmc> We would need to talk to Dr. Warren about the PA, but I am sure that that will be doable.
18:02:59 <bdmc> ????
18:03:18 <bdmc> I was talking about Michael.  What about Dr. Jasper?
18:03:18 <raub> tentative one
18:03:26 <raub> He offered to talk
18:03:34 <bdmc> Oh.  I didn't know.
18:03:47 <raub> I posted that on the steering list last month
18:04:02 <bdmc> I probably read that and forgot.
18:04:29 <bdmc> We need to be better about keeping our records up-to-date.  I know that I have been falling behind.
18:04:43 <bdmc> ( I mean the calendar on the web site, and such. )
18:04:48 <raub> I will put that on the wiki
18:05:15 <raub> But now we also need to deal with the Questionnaire
18:05:22 <bdmc> agreed
18:05:50 <raub> As you said, cristobal (sp?) gave some good suggestions but I did not hear much followthrough after that
18:06:00 <bdmc> Have you edited it after Cristobal's comments?
18:06:17 <raub> Yeah, but I have yet to trim down the long question
18:06:23 <raub> Youc an see how far I went
18:06:33 <bdmc> No, I didn't say anything in public, but I thought that there were some good comments and analysis.
18:06:47 <raub> but there are things I did not agree, as listed in my reply
18:07:05 <bdmc> Yes, we don't have to take everything as gospel.
18:07:12 <raub> We do need to get it out soon. The great is the enemy of the good
18:07:32 <raub> teksystems already told me they would be interested in what we get
18:08:02 <bdmc> Yes, we can also send out multiple rounds.
18:08:15 <raub> Yep
18:08:40 <bdmc> Perhaps different thoughts in each round.
18:08:47 <raub> Anyway, you too can edit it
18:09:04 <raub> Yeah but we need to start somewhere to get a baseline
18:09:23 <raub> Some questions will be repeated in newer ones so to see trend
18:09:24 <bdmc> Start with the Goldilocks question, and something general.  ( or a couple of general questions about topics )
18:10:37 <raub> Feedback is appreciated anyway
18:10:45 <bdmc> I agree about the baseline, and then expand or go down different paths.
18:11:00 <bdmc> Can't get feedback without sending something out.
18:11:06 <raub> Yep
18:11:14 <raub> Moving on
18:11:18 <raub> #topic 4. Tech Items
18:11:33 <raub> So we are having problems againw ith letsencrypt
18:12:05 <raub> The cron job should have taken care of it.
18:12:05 <bdmc> It SHOULD be on a cron job that runs at least daily.  They recommend evey twelve hours, and that's what happens with my machines.
18:12:19 <raub> There is one in place
18:12:36 <bdmc> The first time that we saw an error, we should have run the job manually, and looked at the errors.
18:12:49 <raub> Will need to see again why it is failing. It could be as simple as the OS is just too old
18:13:16 <raub> I ran it manually last time. We can do it again
18:13:33 <raub> Who wants to take a look?
18:13:35 <bdmc> When I had this issue, I ran it manually, and found that I needed to do a "regular" Debian update, updating Python, among other things.
18:14:18 <raub> Might need to reach out to qqx and see if he knows something we should
18:14:22 <bdmc> I prefer to do those things manually, myself, rather than just running updates blindly.
18:14:46 <raub> bdmc: if you have time, can you take a look into this?
18:15:02 <bdmc> Sure.  I don't think that I have SysAdmin access.
18:15:07 <raub> If you cannot get it to update by Friday, let me know
18:15:16 <raub> AFAIK you do; check it out
18:15:35 <bdmc> ??? Log in to Pilot as me, and then sudo?
18:15:36 <raub> I do know mamarley does, so I expect you to
18:15:42 <raub> Exactly. Ubuntu
18:16:02 <bdmc> OK.  I'll do that shortly, and report on the Steering list.
18:16:47 <raub> I would love to break some of the services in pilot to containers of some sort so it is easier to control without affecting other services
18:16:55 <raub> But that is another story
18:17:04 <raub> Finally,
18:17:09 <raub> #topic 5. General Business
18:17:20 <bdmc> Back to the survey for a moment.
18:17:30 <raub> Go on
18:18:09 <bdmc> I would suggest splitting it just before the "classes" question, bringing the "expertise" question above that point, and leave those questions, and more, for the second round or another.
18:18:44 <raub> Let me think about it and reply to the list.
18:18:59 <bdmc> OK, back to 4.
18:19:03 <bdmc> Oops.  5.
18:19:07 <raub> Yeah
18:19:15 <bdmc> Finances?
18:19:20 <raub> Yep
18:19:29 <raub> I take we are better this month
18:19:46 <bdmc> I really like the responses to your "pizza" message.
18:20:32 <bdmc> I made the cash deposit this morning, haven't been in Apex during business hours since Thursday, and the current balance is $388.40!!
18:20:42 <raub> Woohoo!
18:20:52 <mamarley> Wow, how much did we rake in last Thursday?
18:20:55 <bdmc> I have not paid myself back for Thursday's expenses, though, or what was left over from June.
18:20:57 <raub> Can you finish paying what we owe you?
18:21:26 <raub> I think we should be above $100 after you take your cut, right?
18:21:35 <raub> mamarley: more than $200
18:21:40 <mamarley> Nice!
18:21:47 <bdmc> If I remember Thursday correctly, it was $145, and outstanding from June was $75, so we can talk.
18:22:10 <bdmc> Thursday, paper and plastic was just over $250.
18:22:11 <raub> Yeah
18:22:33 <raub> Nice
18:22:45 <bdmc> Plastic, less fees, was deposited by Square on Sunday.
18:22:50 <raub> How is the non-profit thingie going?
18:23:11 <raub> I too did not see us in amazon smile anymore. I think that might be related
18:23:15 <bdmc> I haven't looked again since we last discussed it.  I should do that today, since we are now over 30 days.
18:23:44 <raub> Yeah. Do let me know
18:23:50 <bdmc> For the Smile, you have to explicitly re-type the URL, to be "smile.amazon.com," instead of the default "www.amazon.com".
18:24:24 <bdmc> When I do that, it works for me.
18:24:43 <raub> That I know. And then I went to change the non profit I was sponsoring and could not find trilug or triangle linux
18:25:13 <raub> bdmc: ORLY? Maybe there is a link to go to trilug directly we can pass people?
18:25:21 <raub> Or show me the instructions later
18:25:25 <bdmc> I haven't tried to change.  I just get a message saying that I am sponsoring TriLUG when I type "smile.amazon.com"
18:25:32 <raub> mamarley could be a good guinea pig
18:26:00 <raub> bdmc: I was running another group for a bit and was going to switch back and could not find trilug
18:27:08 <bdmc> My message right now, when I typed "smile.amazon.com" is "Supporting: Triangle Linux User Group"
18:27:40 <raub> mamarley: if oyu have not signed up for smile or have anoher group, try switching to trilug
18:27:45 <raub> I could not find it
18:27:57 <bdmc> It also says "Generated by you: $3.19."
18:28:37 <mamarley> It doesn't show up for me either.
18:29:07 <raub> I tried searching for "triangle linux" and only got crickets
18:29:38 <bdmc> Darn.  I just tried switching browsers, but I got the same thing.  Let me try once more.
18:30:18 <raub> We need to move on
18:30:41 <raub> You two saw the shirt mails. Comments?
18:31:08 <bdmc> Interesting.  I tried a third browser, and when I typed that URL, it wanted me to sign in, which, I guess, makes sense.
18:31:20 <raub> bdmc: yep
18:31:53 <bdmc> Very interesting conversation today, prompted by your "pizza" message.   A lot of good stuff.
18:32:38 <raub> The email ewas just a more aggressive rewrite of what you wrote
18:33:38 <raub> But I am glad to see reaction. We do need to control that situration though
18:33:55 <bdmc> But it was SENT, at least.
18:34:34 <bdmc> We have talked about the situation for a while, but not actually done anything about it until now.
18:34:44 <bdmc> Action sometimes pays of, I am told.  B-)
18:34:58 <bdmc> ( DARN!!!  of = off )
18:35:12 <raub> Agreed
18:35:30 <raub> But we still need to own it and control how it is unfolding
18:35:57 <bdmc> Oh, very true.  That was what we were elected ( volunteered!! ) for.
18:36:15 <raub> Yep
18:36:42 <raub> As you saw, the original designer already has new products in the works
18:36:58 <raub> We could consider how to put a donation button on the site
18:37:44 <raub> Let's research on that for next meeting. And this week give an update to the list.
18:38:12 <raub> We can also consider starting add a state of finances slide
18:38:17 <bdmc> So, back to the conversation half an hour ago.  $147.58 or $222?
18:38:29 <raub> $222.
18:39:06 <raub> If you feel uncomfortable, do $200
18:39:13 <bdmc> The $222 would give us, barring any future income, $166 or so in the bank.  More than enough to cover next month, unless attendence goes up again.
18:39:32 <raub> Exactly my thought
18:39:57 <raub> That is all I have. Any last thoughts?
18:40:05 <bdmc> hold
18:40:28 * mamarley doesn't have anything else.
18:40:58 <bdmc> If it can be broad enough, covering not just the technical, but the ideas and other expansion thoughts, Michael's talk could be quite popular.  We just have to slant it the right way.
18:41:09 <bdmc> I have no idea what Jack's talk might be.
18:41:29 <raub> let mamarley decide if and when
18:41:41 <bdmc> I didn't describe that as well as I might, but I hope that you got the idea.
18:41:50 <mamarley> Popular means a lot of people, which means more stress…
18:42:05 <mamarley> And more tomatoes to be thrown at me when I bomb it.
18:42:09 <bdmc> We do hear complaints about how "TriLUG is too difficult, and too technical."
18:42:18 <raub> Just don't give a talk naked and everyone will appreciate
18:42:38 <bdmc> So something that has both "soft" and "hard" aspects would be good.
18:42:39 <mamarley> I've not seen the inside of the NCSUPD jail and I hope to never see it.
18:43:02 <bdmc> B-)
18:43:31 <bdmc> ( As long as the advertizing can get that across. )
18:43:34 <raub> mamarley: if you prefer you can also hold off for a lightning talk day
18:43:49 <mamarley> raub: There's too much to cover for a lightning talk.
18:44:24 <raub> Understood. Go do some thinking and get back to us next steering meeting
18:44:31 <mamarley> OK
18:44:55 <bdmc> Bye?
18:45:15 <raub> I think so unless any of you have final thoughts
18:45:39 <bdmc> Not ready for final thoughts.  I plan to keep on keeping on!
18:45:55 <raub> alright then. Ending the show for today
18:45:58 <raub> #endmeeting