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17:38:56 <dsmadcow> yea I made it today
17:39:02 <bdmc> OK, two weeks from our next meeting.
17:39:06 <raub> #chair bdmc dsmadcow mamarley raub
17:39:06 <Tribot> Current chairs: bdmc dsmadcow mamarley raub
17:39:11 <bdmc> Do we have a speaker, etc.?
17:39:41 <raub> Working on it. Someone I know from IBM volunteered. Trying to get the name of the talk
17:40:03 <raub> I would volunteer mamarley but he keeps weaseling out
17:40:12 <bdmc> raub: you and I talked about puttings something together.  I guess that that is not necessary.
17:40:42 <raub> We will keep that as an option
17:40:50 <mamarley> I don't "keep weaseling out".  I said that I would consider giving a talk pending how well it went with NCSULUG, and then I decided that I would not.  At best, I weaseled out once.
17:41:14 <raub> Well then ;)
17:41:44 <raub> Anyway, by wednesday we should have an announcement
17:42:03 <bdmc> great
17:42:20 <dsmadcow> good
17:42:34 <raub> #topic 2. Current Topics
17:42:52 <raub> 55 people replied to the questionnaire. Who read the replies?
17:43:16 <bdmc> not recently
17:43:26 <dsmadcow> I have not taken a look at them yet.
17:43:42 * mamarley has been to busy, sorry.
17:43:45 <raub> Short version:
17:43:47 <mamarley> s/to/too
17:44:25 <raub> 1. Most people go because of open source (79%). Next is learning skills (%62)
17:44:48 <raub> 2. Most think the presentations are just right (%85)
17:45:39 <raub> 3. 67% wants us to cover security, monitoring/automation (60%). and programming (63%)
17:45:41 <bdmc> 1. you mean, just because it's Linux?
17:45:59 <raub> We did not specify
17:46:24 <raub> 4. %77 Want trainign classes
17:46:25 <dsmadcow> Probably because we cover open source and not just Linux
17:46:49 <raub> I personally think just covering Linux is pigeonholing us too much
17:46:56 <dsmadcow> I agree
17:47:21 <raub> On classes, %64 on kubernetes, %55 AWS, 42% CERTs
17:47:47 <raub> I think those are the major ones.
17:48:10 <raub> I do have someone who offered to teach kubernetes
17:48:54 <raub> I also have two options for locations for a Saturday class
17:49:01 <dsmadcow> Would we do a hack night or during a meeting?
17:49:22 <bdmc> Yes
17:49:34 <raub> Meeting is too short. Let's do it right and plan for 2-4h
17:49:34 <dsmadcow> A Saturday would be good as you could do a longer session, but not sure what turnout would be like.
17:50:05 <dsmadcow> We would need at least 2 hours for any training, the longer the better in most cases.
17:50:10 <raub> 55% said they prefer weekend while the rest hacknights
17:50:12 <bdmc> Another short questionnaire?
17:50:20 <bdmc> Already asked
17:51:09 <dsmadcow> I think we could do another questionnaire, with some targeted questions based on the output of this one.
17:51:27 <bdmc> If it was evening, I would think that multiple 2-hour sessions.  Perhaps longer on Saturday.
17:51:32 <raub> Weekends allow us to have 4h+. We might use IBM location. Dr. Jasper said we can use normal meeting location. I am looking for other venues also
17:52:10 <dsmadcow> Brian that is what I did with the Linux basic class was 2 2 hour sessions at night.
17:52:20 <bdmc> Yes, I know.
17:53:00 <dsmadcow> That is one way to do it and it does work, but a long session may be a good idea also, Saturday would work for some.
17:53:41 <raub> I've seen an AWS class they spend 3h just setting people up, but their audience was not at our level
17:53:44 <bdmc> It depends on whether you can reasonably break the content up into less than 2-hour segments.  You do need time for introductions and questions.
17:54:01 <raub> Question is how long each class will take total
17:54:07 <bdmc> ( not to mention re-cap each time )
17:54:43 <raub> I prefer weekend classes myself, but that is a non-binding vote
17:55:08 <raub> Anywhoo, take a look at questionnaire and see if you want to give another class
17:55:53 <raub> This will be for next year anyway
17:56:14 <bdmc> What, we aren't doing this next week?
17:56:24 <raub> We also need to start thinking on a Venue for the Dec meeting
17:56:43 <bdmc> You don't like our "regular" place?
17:57:11 <raub> I want to keep options open
17:57:14 <dsmadcow> It does have the open hall there and that may work for the Dec meeting
17:57:29 <raub> It is an option and we did that last year
17:58:10 <bdmc> People can nibble and move around the Science Fair.
17:58:30 <raub> Yes
17:58:33 <bdmc> If you want, we can also use the classroom for more formal presentations.
17:58:48 <raub> That is also the other item: format for Dec meeting
17:59:24 <bdmc> Over the years, I have liked the Science Fair.  I think that some others have, too.
18:00:15 <bdmc> dsmadcow: You will find that mamarley drifts in and out.  You know that these are two-hour meetings, right?
18:00:19 <raub> In that case, start putting together the announcement. I never participate into one @ trilug
18:00:26 <dsmadcow> I do like the sicence fair setup
18:00:55 <raub> I am good either way; just want a plan
18:01:01 <mamarley> bdmc: Wait, what?  I don't think I have been to any of the Saturday meetings.
18:01:03 <dsmadcow> no I did not know the time went to 2 hours but ok whatever
18:01:13 <bdmc> B-)
18:01:30 <bdmc> mamarley: what Saturday meetings?
18:01:38 <bdmc> I was talking about our Monday meetings.
18:01:58 <mamarley> Oh, OK.  I'm here.  I just don't have anything to say currently.
18:02:50 <bdmc> It sounds as if raub doesn't want to do the "flyer" for December, but I think that we need to get it out as soon as we can, so that people can prepare their projects.
18:03:06 <raub> Anyway, moving on so we can get out of here
18:03:21 <raub> bdmc: I do not know what to put on it
18:03:49 <raub> #topic 4. Tech Items
18:03:53 <bdmc> Also, about December.  Are we buying everything, or will we offer pot-luck, or a combination?
18:04:04 <dsmadcow> ok go t a customer call so I am going to have to drop
18:04:07 <raub> We do need to update pilot because
18:04:11 <raub> dsmadcow: K
18:04:35 <raub> We can continue on the list
18:04:44 <raub> #topic 5. General Business
18:05:04 <raub> bdmc: I owe you setting up the test trilug site. Remind me this week
18:05:47 <bdmc> I will write a brief message to the mailing list ( ours ) asking about the food situation, and mentioning the Science Fair, but this won't be the one to "everybody."
18:06:30 <raub> OK. If you want me to send the fair thingie to everyone, provide me with data I can build a post/questionnaire upon
18:08:22 <bdmc> Oh.  If you like, I was going to volunteer Michael ( !! -- more likely the mailing list ) to work that up.  However, you are probably correct.  We need a sign-up ( or RSVP or something ) sheet for the participants.   After that, we need the regular advertisement.
18:08:57 <raub> Yep. mamarley, you are welcome to volunteer
18:10:50 <bdmc> Message to Steering.
18:11:03 <bdmc> ( done )
18:11:25 <raub> Saw it. We can let it simmer for a bit
18:11:49 <raub> Anyway, that is all I have for now. Anyone wants to add something?
18:12:00 <mamarley> That is related to one of the things I wanted to bring up during this meeting.  Recently my situation has changed and I have become much busier without the prospect of this busy-ness subsiding anytime soon.  I am thinking it might be better if I were to resign and allow someone else who has more time and energy to more effectively fill this position.
18:12:20 <bdmc> I think that we have covered everything that I can think of.
18:12:33 <bdmc> mamarley: Will you be able to attend meetings?
18:12:43 <raub> mamarley: reality is I don't think we have someone to replace you, but we will manage
18:13:05 <raub> As bdmc said, if you can attend the meetings, great. If not, it is OK too
18:13:44 <bdmc> raub: You asked about a different meeting time, and I wonder whether Michael might find that better for his participation.  That is, if they let him go home at night.
18:13:51 <mamarley> bdmc: I hope to still come to some of them, but I probably won't be at all of them as I have for a while.
18:14:12 <mamarley> raub: You could just randomly nab someone at a meeting and appoint them, like you did with me. :)
18:14:25 <raub> Yeah. I have not heard a reply to that email
18:14:39 <raub> We will see. Elections are still ways away
18:14:44 <bdmc> I would rather not disrupt things at this point, but wait for the regular election time.
18:14:53 <raub> We can gun one short
18:15:04 <bdmc> mamarley: I expect that you will still be available in e-mail, correct?
18:15:24 <mamarley> bdmc: No, the precise scheduling isn't really the problem.  In fact, in that regard, Thursday is actually one of the better nights for me.  For example, Monday or Tuesday would entirely be a no-go.
18:15:30 <mamarley> bdmc: Of course.
18:15:55 <mamarley> I really apologize for this.  I probably shouldn't have accepted the nomination in the first place.  I'm sorry.
18:15:58 <bdmc> No, what Mauricio was talking about was this meeting.  Not during the day, or not Monday.
18:16:19 <raub> Exactly
18:17:15 <bdmc> mamarley:  Not a problem.  We appreciate all that you are able to contribute.  That's one reason why I don't want you to completely resign, but simply contribute where you can.  Look at Lauren.
18:17:39 <raub> Or Aaron the virtual one
18:17:47 <bdmc> A better example.
18:18:25 <raub> mamarley: but, do what you have to.
18:18:44 <raub> This is a volunteer position
18:19:24 <bdmc> Exactly.  We all contribute where we can.
18:19:36 <mamarley> I may be able to do that.  The problems are that another team I am on outside of work recently lost a person, taking more time from me.  I'm also having to do a lot of work to prepare computer/network and fire alarm systems for the new house my parents are having built.  I don't expect either one of these to go away anytime soon.
18:19:53 <mamarley> But if you wouldn't/couldn't replace me, I can stay on and help when I can.
18:20:10 <bdmc> mamarley: sounds like fun and games!
18:21:01 <bdmc> mamarley: that sounds like the best answer to me.  When and where you are comfortable contributing.
18:21:51 <bdmc> Well, I think that we have now covered everything for today.  Right?
18:22:00 <raub> I think so too
18:22:10 * mamarley doesn't have anything else.
18:22:16 <raub> Alright then
18:22:20 <raub> #endmetting
18:22:25 <raub> #endmeeting