17:38:49 #startmeeting 17:38:49 Meeting started Mon Oct 28 17:38:49 2019 UTC. The chair is raub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:38:49 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:38:56 yea I made it today 17:39:02 OK, two weeks from our next meeting. 17:39:06 #chair bdmc dsmadcow mamarley raub 17:39:06 Current chairs: bdmc dsmadcow mamarley raub 17:39:11 Do we have a speaker, etc.? 17:39:41 Working on it. Someone I know from IBM volunteered. Trying to get the name of the talk 17:40:03 I would volunteer mamarley but he keeps weaseling out 17:40:12 raub: you and I talked about puttings something together. I guess that that is not necessary. 17:40:42 We will keep that as an option 17:40:50 I don't "keep weaseling out". I said that I would consider giving a talk pending how well it went with NCSULUG, and then I decided that I would not. At best, I weaseled out once. 17:41:14 Well then ;) 17:41:44 Anyway, by wednesday we should have an announcement 17:42:03 great 17:42:20 good 17:42:34 #topic 2. Current Topics 17:42:52 55 people replied to the questionnaire. Who read the replies? 17:43:16 not recently 17:43:26 I have not taken a look at them yet. 17:43:42 * mamarley has been to busy, sorry. 17:43:45 Short version: 17:43:47 s/to/too 17:44:25 1. Most people go because of open source (79%). Next is learning skills (%62) 17:44:48 2. Most think the presentations are just right (%85) 17:45:39 3. 67% wants us to cover security, monitoring/automation (60%). and programming (63%) 17:45:41 1. you mean, just because it's Linux? 17:45:59 We did not specify 17:46:24 4. %77 Want trainign classes 17:46:25 Probably because we cover open source and not just Linux 17:46:49 I personally think just covering Linux is pigeonholing us too much 17:46:56 I agree 17:47:21 On classes, %64 on kubernetes, %55 AWS, 42% CERTs 17:47:47 I think those are the major ones. 17:48:10 I do have someone who offered to teach kubernetes 17:48:54 I also have two options for locations for a Saturday class 17:49:01 Would we do a hack night or during a meeting? 17:49:22 Yes 17:49:34 Meeting is too short. Let's do it right and plan for 2-4h 17:49:34 A Saturday would be good as you could do a longer session, but not sure what turnout would be like. 17:50:05 We would need at least 2 hours for any training, the longer the better in most cases. 17:50:10 55% said they prefer weekend while the rest hacknights 17:50:12 Another short questionnaire? 17:50:20 Already asked 17:51:09 I think we could do another questionnaire, with some targeted questions based on the output of this one. 17:51:27 If it was evening, I would think that multiple 2-hour sessions. Perhaps longer on Saturday. 17:51:32 Weekends allow us to have 4h+. We might use IBM location. Dr. Jasper said we can use normal meeting location. I am looking for other venues also 17:52:10 Brian that is what I did with the Linux basic class was 2 2 hour sessions at night. 17:52:20 Yes, I know. 17:53:00 That is one way to do it and it does work, but a long session may be a good idea also, Saturday would work for some. 17:53:41 I've seen an AWS class they spend 3h just setting people up, but their audience was not at our level 17:53:44 It depends on whether you can reasonably break the content up into less than 2-hour segments. You do need time for introductions and questions. 17:54:01 Question is how long each class will take total 17:54:07 ( not to mention re-cap each time ) 17:54:43 I prefer weekend classes myself, but that is a non-binding vote 17:55:08 Anywhoo, take a look at questionnaire and see if you want to give another class 17:55:53 This will be for next year anyway 17:56:14 What, we aren't doing this next week? 17:56:24 We also need to start thinking on a Venue for the Dec meeting 17:56:43 You don't like our "regular" place? 17:57:11 I want to keep options open 17:57:14 It does have the open hall there and that may work for the Dec meeting 17:57:29 It is an option and we did that last year 17:58:10 People can nibble and move around the Science Fair. 17:58:30 Yes 17:58:33 If you want, we can also use the classroom for more formal presentations. 17:58:48 That is also the other item: format for Dec meeting 17:59:24 Over the years, I have liked the Science Fair. I think that some others have, too. 18:00:15 dsmadcow: You will find that mamarley drifts in and out. You know that these are two-hour meetings, right? 18:00:19 In that case, start putting together the announcement. I never participate into one @ trilug 18:00:26 I do like the sicence fair setup 18:00:55 I am good either way; just want a plan 18:01:01 bdmc: Wait, what? I don't think I have been to any of the Saturday meetings. 18:01:03 no I did not know the time went to 2 hours but ok whatever 18:01:13 B-) 18:01:30 mamarley: what Saturday meetings? 18:01:38 I was talking about our Monday meetings. 18:01:58 Oh, OK. I'm here. I just don't have anything to say currently. 18:02:50 It sounds as if raub doesn't want to do the "flyer" for December, but I think that we need to get it out as soon as we can, so that people can prepare their projects. 18:03:06 Anyway, moving on so we can get out of here 18:03:21 bdmc: I do not know what to put on it 18:03:49 #topic 4. Tech Items 18:03:53 Also, about December. Are we buying everything, or will we offer pot-luck, or a combination? 18:04:04 ok go t a customer call so I am going to have to drop 18:04:07 We do need to update pilot because 18:04:11 dsmadcow: K 18:04:35 We can continue on the list 18:04:44 #topic 5. General Business 18:05:04 bdmc: I owe you setting up the test trilug site. Remind me this week 18:05:47 I will write a brief message to the mailing list ( ours ) asking about the food situation, and mentioning the Science Fair, but this won't be the one to "everybody." 18:06:30 OK. If you want me to send the fair thingie to everyone, provide me with data I can build a post/questionnaire upon 18:08:22 Oh. If you like, I was going to volunteer Michael ( !! -- more likely the mailing list ) to work that up. However, you are probably correct. We need a sign-up ( or RSVP or something ) sheet for the participants. After that, we need the regular advertisement. 18:08:57 Yep. mamarley, you are welcome to volunteer 18:10:50 Message to Steering. 18:11:03 ( done ) 18:11:25 Saw it. We can let it simmer for a bit 18:11:49 Anyway, that is all I have for now. Anyone wants to add something? 18:12:00 That is related to one of the things I wanted to bring up during this meeting. Recently my situation has changed and I have become much busier without the prospect of this busy-ness subsiding anytime soon. I am thinking it might be better if I were to resign and allow someone else who has more time and energy to more effectively fill this position. 18:12:20 I think that we have covered everything that I can think of. 18:12:33 mamarley: Will you be able to attend meetings? 18:12:43 mamarley: reality is I don't think we have someone to replace you, but we will manage 18:13:05 As bdmc said, if you can attend the meetings, great. If not, it is OK too 18:13:44 raub: You asked about a different meeting time, and I wonder whether Michael might find that better for his participation. That is, if they let him go home at night. 18:13:51 bdmc: I hope to still come to some of them, but I probably won't be at all of them as I have for a while. 18:14:12 raub: You could just randomly nab someone at a meeting and appoint them, like you did with me. :) 18:14:25 Yeah. I have not heard a reply to that email 18:14:39 We will see. Elections are still ways away 18:14:44 I would rather not disrupt things at this point, but wait for the regular election time. 18:14:53 We can gun one short 18:15:04 mamarley: I expect that you will still be available in e-mail, correct? 18:15:24 bdmc: No, the precise scheduling isn't really the problem. In fact, in that regard, Thursday is actually one of the better nights for me. For example, Monday or Tuesday would entirely be a no-go. 18:15:30 bdmc: Of course. 18:15:55 I really apologize for this. I probably shouldn't have accepted the nomination in the first place. I'm sorry. 18:15:58 No, what Mauricio was talking about was this meeting. Not during the day, or not Monday. 18:16:19 Exactly 18:17:15 mamarley: Not a problem. We appreciate all that you are able to contribute. That's one reason why I don't want you to completely resign, but simply contribute where you can. Look at Lauren. 18:17:39 Or Aaron the virtual one 18:17:47 A better example. 18:18:25 mamarley: but, do what you have to. 18:18:44 This is a volunteer position 18:19:24 Exactly. We all contribute where we can. 18:19:36 I may be able to do that. The problems are that another team I am on outside of work recently lost a person, taking more time from me. I'm also having to do a lot of work to prepare computer/network and fire alarm systems for the new house my parents are having built. I don't expect either one of these to go away anytime soon. 18:19:53 But if you wouldn't/couldn't replace me, I can stay on and help when I can. 18:20:10 mamarley: sounds like fun and games! 18:21:01 mamarley: that sounds like the best answer to me. When and where you are comfortable contributing. 18:21:51 Well, I think that we have now covered everything for today. Right? 18:22:00 I think so too 18:22:10 * mamarley doesn't have anything else. 18:22:16 Alright then 18:22:20 #endmetting 18:22:25 #endmeeting