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18:38:23 <jeoff> #topic January meeting
18:39:07 <jeoff> raub: thanks for reaching out to the steering list
18:39:31 <jeoff> How long do we have until the January meeting?
18:39:33 <raub> Sure
18:39:49 <bdmc_> Should be about the 13th.
18:39:52 <raub> 2nd Thursday of January
18:40:04 <jeoff> That's plenty of time
18:40:27 <jeoff> I'll reach out to the mailing list today and see who is willing to present
18:40:46 <raub> The sooner we find someone the more time we can create the buzz
18:40:56 <raub> jeoff++
18:41:19 <jeoff> Is there anything else regarding this?
18:41:36 <raub> What do you mean?
18:41:51 <jeoff> This topic
18:42:09 <raub> Nope; we can continue on the list
18:42:20 <jeoff> cool
18:43:06 <jeoff> #topic resignation and continuity planning
18:43:21 <jeoff> What happens now that Mainguy has resigned?
18:43:52 <raub> We need to find a replacement. Reassigning duties should work
18:44:35 <jeoff> Do we hold another election?
18:45:23 <raub> AFAIK this never has happened so we are in unchartered waters. Don't think a procedure was ever done
18:45:46 <jeoff> Huh
18:45:53 <bdmc_> Eithr volunteer someone, or an election.
18:45:53 <raub> I do know that technically the steering committee is elected and then they assign the positions
18:46:08 <raub> Or what bdmc_ just said ;)
18:46:43 <bdmc_> Since our formal elections aren't held for several months, ....
18:47:01 <jeoff> Are either of you interested in moving to Chair?
18:47:38 <bdmc_> No, thank you.
18:48:13 <raub> jeoff: not feeling like doing it?
18:48:42 <jeoff> I can, but I figured I'd give the option to you two first
18:50:55 <bdmc_> Fresh blood ( on the floor )
18:50:59 <bdmc_> B-)
18:51:09 <raub> LOL
18:51:48 <raub> jeoff: I will only do if nobody else wants to. And until election
18:53:19 <jeoff> You have much more experience on the TriLUG board than I do. I am willing to take the role of Chair, but if you want it, it is yours
18:55:44 <raub> We are going nowhere slowly.
18:56:05 <raub> OK, I will take it until election
18:56:11 <jeoff> raub: ty
18:56:45 <raub> jeoff: is there anybody at your work you can con into giving a talk?
18:57:15 <bdmc_> I know that we are trying to have the same meetings as a year ago, but "on line."  Is there perhaps something "different" that we might try?
18:58:00 <raub> bdmc_: I am all years. Insanity is repeating the same action and expecting a different outcom
18:58:18 <jeoff> Slack?
18:59:16 <raub> jeoff: I think we should put that to the vote by the other members
19:00:16 <jeoff> members as in committee or general trilug?
19:00:25 <bdmc_> I really don't know whether a different format or different style would make any difference.
19:01:09 <bdmc_> We were getting more members, generally, when we were "in person."
19:01:19 <raub> General audience.
19:01:46 <bdmc_> Maybe start a conversation in the mailing list, rather than a formal survey.
19:01:47 <jeoff> It would at least make the async part easier
19:01:51 <raub> You may find the steering list is not particularly responsive.
19:02:21 <bdmc_> I was talking about the general list.  See if we can start a BBQ conversation.
19:02:35 <raub> Hmmm.... BBQ
19:03:36 <bdmc_> Just about the meeting format, content, etc.
19:04:04 <bdmc_> Especially since we are going to have to continue for the next several months, at least.
19:04:16 <jeoff> Makes sense
19:04:32 <raub> Yep
19:05:36 <bdmc_> It might be worthwhile setting up some people like Alan and Cristobal ( Bill F, Michael H. ) as being primed to contribute, before starting the conversation.
19:07:12 <raub> I do agree with your point. bdmc_ if you remember we asked last year what people wanted, but that was before covid
19:07:14 <bdmc_> Dwayne would also be good, I think.
19:07:20 <raub> Yes
19:08:26 <bdmc_> raub: Exactly.  We did get good results from that, and it might be good to revisit that.  Perhaps just for our use, perhaps and more fodder for the conversation.
19:08:36 <bdmc_> ( would be good )
19:09:16 <raub> Agreed. jeoff I will let you know where that questionnaire is so you can understand the context
19:09:28 <jeoff> raub: ty
19:09:57 <raub> I think both you and bdmc_'s point is that we need to adapt
19:10:43 <bdmc_> As we said to begin with, the current model does not seem to be very hot.
19:12:34 <bdmc_> Perhaps it is just the "having everybody at home" problem.  I have a cousin who is really looking forward to getting rid of her two daughters to school.
19:13:07 <raub> You know, this may be an interesting thread starter
19:15:07 <bdmc_> Another meeting topic might be either a free-for-all or a panel discussion on "how to work from home effectively in today's world."
19:16:48 <raub> Hmmm, maybe that would be a good topic for January meeting. And if we give a few weeks of advance warning to the people we may have a nice talk
19:17:06 <raub> jeoff: thoughts?
19:17:43 <jeoff> raub: would we source the talk ourselves or look for a speaker?
19:18:44 <raub> If we make the meeting like bdmc_ suggested, we just open the floor and act like handlers. Let the audience add to the discussion
19:19:17 <raub> (or do it in the mailing list)
19:19:41 <jeoff> I get it now. That is an amazing idea
19:20:19 <raub> bdmc_ does have some good ideas
19:22:15 <raub> Sounds like we have a plan
19:23:27 <jeoff> indeed
19:23:38 <bdmc_> I still think that we need to start the "what do we do" converstion on the mailing list, too.
19:23:46 <raub> Yes
19:24:03 <raub> Two diff topics, one for the list and one for the meeting
19:25:30 <bdmc_> Two questions.  Who is going to start the conversation in the mailing list, and should I get in touch with Alan beforehand? ( and others? )
19:26:13 <bdmc_> Also, I think that the meeting annoucemnt should go out as soon as possible. ( today? )
19:26:18 <raub> jeoff or I can get the mailing list ball rolling. And you can reach out to Allan
19:26:32 <raub> And, I do agree about the timing
19:26:59 <bdmc_> I can send him a message today.  When do you want to start that conversation?  This week or next?
19:27:17 <raub> This week
19:27:28 <raub> (at least to start)
19:27:28 <jeoff> raub: I can get the mailing list ball rollling
19:27:58 <raub> Excellent jeoff. Let me know what I can do to help
19:28:21 <bdmc_> OK, I will warn him to watch for the conversation.  ( remember that we are talking about two different messages in the mailing list -- meeting announcement and "what next" conversation )
19:29:22 <raub> Agreed
19:31:12 <raub> So, we have two plans. We can keep talking by email as needed
19:31:47 <jeoff> Thanks
19:31:56 <raub> jeoff: just to make sure, you are going to send the announcemet about the meeting, right?
19:31:57 <bdmc_> Exactly
19:32:20 <raub> Excellent. So let's end the meeting as it has gone way past its bed time
19:33:13 <jeoff> raub: yes, I am going to send the announcement about the meeting
19:34:23 <bdmc_> Have a good night, both of you.
19:34:32 <jeoff> you too
19:34:41 <raub> #endmeeting
19:34:51 <raub> I think jeoff will have to do it
19:35:00 <bdmc_> It doesn't like you.
19:35:10 <jeoff> #endmeeting