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18:33:55 <raub> #chair noway2 jeoff
18:33:55 <Tribot> Current chairs: jeoff noway2 raub
18:34:14 <raub> #topic 1. Check for Agenda Additions
18:34:24 <raub> Anyone has something to add?
18:35:22 <noway2> nope.  looks like a full list today
18:35:22 <raub> I will take that as a no
18:35:27 <jeoff> nope
18:35:38 <bdmc_> Sorry for the delay.
18:35:40 <raub> noway2: a sligtly larger list
18:35:46 <raub> #chair bdmc_
18:35:46 <Tribot> Current chairs: bdmc_ jeoff noway2 raub
18:35:55 <raub> bdmc_: your timing was poifect
18:36:03 <bdmc_> Greetings all.
18:36:09 <raub> #topic 2. Current Topics
18:36:32 <raub> So this Thursday we have the trilug meeting.
18:37:00 <noway2> Reviewing the meetup page now....
18:37:00 <raub> As some of oyu noticed, we cheated and made it a open forum kinda meeting under the topic "Adventures Working Remotely"
18:37:50 <raub> We will send a reminder today
18:38:24 <noway2> Actually, I like the subject. After 9 months of using different remote / online platforms, most having 'challenges' it could be interesting.
18:39:16 <raub> It definitely is very current
18:40:12 <raub> I honestly want to see how many people have solutions/ideas. There is the tech aspect ut also the "how to set my home up for this" one
18:41:28 <raub> On a similar line, we (I?) was supposed to start a thread on the list asking memmbers what they want trilug to offer them this year.
18:41:53 <raub> Idea is some of us are struggling and may need help with studying, career changes, and whatnots
18:42:18 <raub> And we may have ideas of things we can do later in the year.
18:42:44 <jeoff> It was supposed to be me, but I am a bit behind on a few things
18:43:28 <noway2> I can think of a couple of topics that might be interesting for discussion. There has been some distro shake up with Centos, Slack, and Suse (which I couldn't get to work), and then Gentoo went belly up on me with the Python 2.7 dying.  I would be interested in learning about implementing a virtual machine / image. And lastly, I think with increasing surveillenece and censorship a serious look at VPN and how to do so effectively may be pertinent.
18:43:37 <raub> jeoff: no worries. And, I see no problem in throwing that in the steering list to see if others can help flesh this quickly (so you are not swamped)
18:44:25 <raub> noway2: those are very valid topics, one of which neatly dovetails into...
18:44:34 <raub> #topic 3. Future Topics
18:45:49 <raub> For those who do not know, Dwain currently works at suse (hint hint).
18:46:36 <raub> We talked about giving another topical talk, this time closer to the centos-ness thingie
18:47:16 <raub> noway2: incidentally I think he may want to know what did not work for you
18:48:18 <raub> After that (March?) jeoff here will be giving a talk/short class
18:48:27 <jeoff> yup
18:48:30 <noway2> I am trying to remember.... Initially i had some difficulty because of the RAID controller and ended up going with mdadm.  I think I got it working and joined to the domain, but had stability issues with connecting.
18:49:12 <raub> As i said, great time to reach out to him. May even help prepare his talk
18:49:27 <raub> jeoff: do you have an idea of what you would like to cover?
18:49:33 <noway2> Will do.
18:50:12 <jeoff> raub: No idea. I should probably use my talk from a few months ago and polish that a bit
18:50:54 <raub> jeoff: sure thing. If oyu need help hit me up by email
18:51:13 <jeoff> raub: will do
18:52:07 <raub> Incidentally, I did something bdmc_ used to do and created some meetup placeholders. This way it makes it easier to create an entry for the meeting in the trilug site
18:52:42 <raub> Also, that covers us meeting-wise until March. Which means we need to get something for the rest of the year.
18:53:14 <raub> I thought we were going to have one for percona. Does anyone know where that is?
18:53:24 <raub> If not, I can dig out the emails
18:54:07 <jeoff> Not sure
18:54:25 <noway2> That sounds like it could be interesting. I hadn't heard of Percona and just looked them up.
18:55:06 <raub> I don't wnat to have something scheduled on the day Peter was supposed to talk. So I will check it
18:55:26 <bdmc_> I thought that he was supposed to be September or October.
18:55:55 <raub> noway2: at least on of his trilug talks has been recorded
18:56:09 <raub> In case you want to see how Peter's talks look like
18:56:31 <noway2> Yes.  I would.
18:56:36 <raub> bdmc_: Possible. All I care right now is that it is not  feb or march.
18:56:54 <raub> I also need to update the wiki on the current status of future meetings
18:57:11 <raub> (someone else can also do it. Hint hint)
18:57:55 <noway2> I am getting the impression we have a lot of linux ham radio people. Maybe something related would make a good topic. Perhaps we can enourage more people to look into ham radio?
18:58:28 <raub> noway2: I think that is worthy investigating. Do you know someone?
18:58:53 <raub> We should also reach to Dr. Jasper and see if he wants to do a virtual talk
18:58:57 <bdmc_> Kevin
18:59:07 <bdmc_> raub: agreed
18:59:19 <raub> Who wants to Talk to Kevin?
18:59:27 <noway2> Possibly, or I was considering volunteering myself if I can think of something that wouldn't put everyone to sleep.  I have encountered Kevin on the UNC repeater once or twice. I can reach out to him.
19:00:02 <bdmc_> Or perhaps a twofer.
19:00:08 <raub> An interesting ham topic is: can you get into it using open source and on the cheap?
19:01:12 <noway2> yeah... idea ... digital (over the internet) is getting quite popular and a lot of people are doing that with Rasp Pi - also a lot of people like to make balloon beacons with tiny linux based systems and watch them traverse the globe.
19:01:16 <raub> (or whatever other topic)
19:01:56 <raub> noway2: exactly! It is always nice to show how other things can be brought back to linux and open source and so on
19:03:15 <raub> noway2: do you want to take the lead on that?
19:03:42 <noway2> I could do that.  Was just looking at this thing called kiwiSDR that might be a topic of interest that could include a live demo.
19:04:05 <raub> Excellent!
19:04:36 <raub> Let's move on to the next topic as this one had lots of exciting action
19:04:48 <raub> #topic 4. Tech Items
19:05:07 <raub> How is pilot's upgrade going?
19:05:49 <raub> Who is winning?
19:05:59 <noway2> Ok, Pilot - Moya - I sent you the information for creating an SSH key but not sure where to go from there in terms of getting a new image spun up.  As soon as we can do that, I would like to get cracking.
19:06:41 <raub> noway2: do you mean how to create a new virtual machine with OS and whatnot?
19:06:44 <bdmc_> noway2: are you able to log in to Moya?
19:07:30 <noway2> haven't tried. I can log into the existing pilot, but I am not sure how to go about logging into Moya.  I will need to double check the wiki (steering) to see if there were instructions, but I don't recall seeing anything off hand.
19:07:59 <bdmc_> IPv6, same host name.
19:08:44 <bdmc_> There are other ways, but that is the easiest for me.
19:09:30 <raub> noway2: if you are getting stuck, do let us know where so we can help.
19:09:43 <noway2> ??? I do a DDG search for Moya and come up with a lot of stuff, mostly about a network abstraction layer ... I am missing somemething, probably fundamental and simple.
19:09:47 <raub> And, if you think the wiki is incomplete, we need to know
19:09:53 <bdmc_> More specifically: ssh -6 -X moya.trilug.org
19:10:06 <bdmc_> The X is optional.
19:10:09 <bdmc_> of course
19:10:13 <noway2> ssh -6 -X moya.trilug.org AH!
19:10:37 <noway2> Will try that... I have the key on this computer.
19:11:08 <bdmc_> Pilot and Moya share an IPv4 address, with Pilot responding first.
19:11:23 <raub> Nice. And, if there is no docs on the wiki on that, we can/need to address that
19:11:49 <bdmc_> I thought that all of this was there.
19:12:06 <raub> bdmc_: it might be but not very organized?
19:12:17 <bdmc_> All together, as I remember.
19:12:30 <bdmc_> Been a while, though.
19:12:56 <bdmc_> noway2: are you trying now?
19:13:14 <noway2> Looking for the steering wiki.
19:13:20 <raub> Yeah. In any case, and to everyone here, do not ASSume all there is to know about trilug is in the wiki. If you can't find it, let us know
19:14:01 <noway2> Whats the steering wiki again?
19:14:39 <bdmc_> steering.trilug.org
19:18:48 <noway2> trying Moya getting hung up on password...
19:20:03 <raub> I know I setup your account on moya using the pub key you gave me. We can check that
19:20:40 <noway2> its like it's not seeing the key.  It's not my default one and the -i option doesn't seem to function.  Will need to look at that, but it is trying to connect.
19:21:10 <raub> I will look into that and email you
19:22:07 <noway2> Ok. I set "IdentityFile" in the SSH config and it's still asking for a password.  If you would, please check the logs. Maybe it will show the error.
19:23:05 <raub> Will do
19:23:33 <raub> Anything pressing we need to deal with in this meeting?
19:24:23 <noway2> No, but please look at the wiki too.  I am not seeing anything jump out at me about working with Moya. It seems to be the old system (only).
19:24:54 <raub> Sure thing
19:27:00 <noway2> Thank you.  I appreciate it :P
19:27:02 <bdmc_> Hmmm.  I'm not even getting a response from Moya.
19:27:12 <bdmc_> ( SSH isn't connecting )
19:27:55 <raub> I connected doing ssh -p 622 raubvogel@moya.trilug.org
19:28:07 <noway2> ok. got in.  Forgot to include the user name, so it was trying to use my unc ONYEN id ...
19:28:24 <noway2> and it just took me right to pilot.
19:28:33 <raub> noway2: check mail
19:29:38 <bdmc_> noway: if you got in to pilot, then you are either using IPv4 instead of 6, or you didn't do the port number that Mauricio showed.
19:30:45 <noway2> ssh -6 -X  -i ~/.ssh/moya_key noway2@moya.trilug.org  Maybe because I am behind a proxy that may be IPv4 only or something.
19:31:12 <bdmc_> Try that port 622 instead.
19:31:38 <raub> noway2: I emailed you what I have as your pub key
19:31:50 <noway2> Got it (both the mail and now I am in Moya)
19:31:56 <noway2> The port was the key
19:32:03 <raub> Another mystery solved
19:32:14 <bdmc_> That means that you don't have IPv6 connectivity.
19:32:31 <raub> note the lissez-moi file. It has your initial pw in moya
19:32:42 <noway2> Not surprising. I am on the UNC CH network behind the energy services proxy.  I see that file.
19:32:43 <raub> Change it whenever you can
19:33:07 <raub> noway2: another mystery solved!
19:33:43 <noway2> I will take a leap and say that pilot is just a VM running on the moya (linx) host.... and this is where we need to spin up a pilot 2.0.  Some documentation would be the next step. Never played with virtualization.
19:34:01 <jeoff> virtualization is fun
19:34:12 <noway2> Which flavor should i read up on?
19:34:18 <bdmc_> noway2: exactly -- I thought that you knew that
19:34:41 <noway2> I was thinking Moya was a hosting provider like Linode.
19:34:47 <raub> noway2: kvm/libvirt
19:34:57 <bdmc_> No, it is owned hardware.
19:35:13 <noway2> gotcha .. Makes sense. I will do some reading.
19:35:19 <jeoff> noway2: I hope you like XML
19:35:36 <bdmc_> There are tools.  B-)
19:35:43 <noway2> It's ok. not as clean as JSON, but I have used it.
19:36:03 <bdmc_> Also, just copy one of the existing configurations and make adjustments.
19:36:54 <noway2> Cool.  That will make things simpler.  Once we get the base machine up, then I think we have a solid plan from previous discussions.
19:37:37 <bdmc_> As I remember, the plan was to build multiple machines to take Pilot's place.
19:38:32 <noway2> At least one. I think we were going to get it up, then get the LDAP auth going, then the web and email server, which will cover a lot of the core functions and get everyone who still uses it migrated.
19:39:06 <noway2> Much of the information is there, but the format will have changed. Also the system init structure is totally different in newer distros.
19:40:02 <noway2> Ah, it looks like Moya aka debian 8 went EOL too....
19:40:54 <bdmc_> However, that is a newer distribution than Pilot, so should be easier to upgrade when the time comes.
19:41:23 <noway2> Agreed.  It should be migratable.  Let's focus on Pilot first because that's going to go belly up with LetsEncrypt in 5 months.
19:42:19 <bdmc_> That has been the plan all along.
19:43:43 <noway2> Ok. We've been 1.25 hours and made good progress on Moya status  ... last couple of topics email and finance?
19:45:46 <raub> Shoudl we cover it orsave for next?
19:46:24 <noway2> Probably better to save it.  Going forward, I'll make a point of stopping in here on Mondays at 1:30 even if there isn't an agenda sent out.
19:47:47 <raub> Well then.
19:47:56 <raub> Thanks allo foyu for showing up!
19:48:01 <raub> #endmeeting