18:33:35 #startmeeting 18:33:35 Meeting started Mon Jan 11 18:33:35 2021 UTC. The chair is raub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:33:35 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:33:55 #chair noway2 jeoff 18:33:55 Current chairs: jeoff noway2 raub 18:34:14 #topic 1. Check for Agenda Additions 18:34:24 Anyone has something to add? 18:35:22 nope. looks like a full list today 18:35:22 I will take that as a no 18:35:27 nope 18:35:38 Sorry for the delay. 18:35:40 noway2: a sligtly larger list 18:35:46 #chair bdmc_ 18:35:46 Current chairs: bdmc_ jeoff noway2 raub 18:35:55 bdmc_: your timing was poifect 18:36:03 Greetings all. 18:36:09 #topic 2. Current Topics 18:36:32 So this Thursday we have the trilug meeting. 18:37:00 Reviewing the meetup page now.... 18:37:00 As some of oyu noticed, we cheated and made it a open forum kinda meeting under the topic "Adventures Working Remotely" 18:37:50 We will send a reminder today 18:38:24 Actually, I like the subject. After 9 months of using different remote / online platforms, most having 'challenges' it could be interesting. 18:39:16 It definitely is very current 18:40:12 I honestly want to see how many people have solutions/ideas. There is the tech aspect ut also the "how to set my home up for this" one 18:41:28 On a similar line, we (I?) was supposed to start a thread on the list asking memmbers what they want trilug to offer them this year. 18:41:53 Idea is some of us are struggling and may need help with studying, career changes, and whatnots 18:42:18 And we may have ideas of things we can do later in the year. 18:42:44 It was supposed to be me, but I am a bit behind on a few things 18:43:28 I can think of a couple of topics that might be interesting for discussion. There has been some distro shake up with Centos, Slack, and Suse (which I couldn't get to work), and then Gentoo went belly up on me with the Python 2.7 dying. I would be interested in learning about implementing a virtual machine / image. And lastly, I think with increasing surveillenece and censorship a serious look at VPN and how to do so effectively may be pertinent. 18:43:37 jeoff: no worries. And, I see no problem in throwing that in the steering list to see if others can help flesh this quickly (so you are not swamped) 18:44:25 noway2: those are very valid topics, one of which neatly dovetails into... 18:44:34 #topic 3. Future Topics 18:45:49 For those who do not know, Dwain currently works at suse (hint hint). 18:46:36 We talked about giving another topical talk, this time closer to the centos-ness thingie 18:47:16 noway2: incidentally I think he may want to know what did not work for you 18:48:18 After that (March?) jeoff here will be giving a talk/short class 18:48:27 yup 18:48:30 I am trying to remember.... Initially i had some difficulty because of the RAID controller and ended up going with mdadm. I think I got it working and joined to the domain, but had stability issues with connecting. 18:49:12 As i said, great time to reach out to him. May even help prepare his talk 18:49:27 jeoff: do you have an idea of what you would like to cover? 18:49:33 Will do. 18:50:12 raub: No idea. I should probably use my talk from a few months ago and polish that a bit 18:50:54 jeoff: sure thing. If oyu need help hit me up by email 18:51:13 raub: will do 18:52:07 Incidentally, I did something bdmc_ used to do and created some meetup placeholders. This way it makes it easier to create an entry for the meeting in the trilug site 18:52:42 Also, that covers us meeting-wise until March. Which means we need to get something for the rest of the year. 18:53:14 I thought we were going to have one for percona. Does anyone know where that is? 18:53:24 If not, I can dig out the emails 18:54:07 Not sure 18:54:25 That sounds like it could be interesting. I hadn't heard of Percona and just looked them up. 18:55:06 I don't wnat to have something scheduled on the day Peter was supposed to talk. So I will check it 18:55:26 I thought that he was supposed to be September or October. 18:55:55 noway2: at least on of his trilug talks has been recorded 18:56:09 In case you want to see how Peter's talks look like 18:56:31 Yes. I would. 18:56:36 bdmc_: Possible. All I care right now is that it is not feb or march. 18:56:54 I also need to update the wiki on the current status of future meetings 18:57:11 (someone else can also do it. Hint hint) 18:57:55 I am getting the impression we have a lot of linux ham radio people. Maybe something related would make a good topic. Perhaps we can enourage more people to look into ham radio? 18:58:28 noway2: I think that is worthy investigating. Do you know someone? 18:58:53 We should also reach to Dr. Jasper and see if he wants to do a virtual talk 18:58:57 Kevin 18:59:07 raub: agreed 18:59:19 Who wants to Talk to Kevin? 18:59:27 Possibly, or I was considering volunteering myself if I can think of something that wouldn't put everyone to sleep. I have encountered Kevin on the UNC repeater once or twice. I can reach out to him. 19:00:02 Or perhaps a twofer. 19:00:08 An interesting ham topic is: can you get into it using open source and on the cheap? 19:01:12 yeah... idea ... digital (over the internet) is getting quite popular and a lot of people are doing that with Rasp Pi - also a lot of people like to make balloon beacons with tiny linux based systems and watch them traverse the globe. 19:01:16 (or whatever other topic) 19:01:56 noway2: exactly! It is always nice to show how other things can be brought back to linux and open source and so on 19:03:15 noway2: do you want to take the lead on that? 19:03:42 I could do that. Was just looking at this thing called kiwiSDR that might be a topic of interest that could include a live demo. 19:04:05 Excellent! 19:04:36 Let's move on to the next topic as this one had lots of exciting action 19:04:48 #topic 4. Tech Items 19:05:07 How is pilot's upgrade going? 19:05:49 Who is winning? 19:05:59 Ok, Pilot - Moya - I sent you the information for creating an SSH key but not sure where to go from there in terms of getting a new image spun up. As soon as we can do that, I would like to get cracking. 19:06:41 noway2: do you mean how to create a new virtual machine with OS and whatnot? 19:06:44 noway2: are you able to log in to Moya? 19:07:30 haven't tried. I can log into the existing pilot, but I am not sure how to go about logging into Moya. I will need to double check the wiki (steering) to see if there were instructions, but I don't recall seeing anything off hand. 19:07:59 IPv6, same host name. 19:08:44 There are other ways, but that is the easiest for me. 19:09:30 noway2: if you are getting stuck, do let us know where so we can help. 19:09:43 ??? I do a DDG search for Moya and come up with a lot of stuff, mostly about a network abstraction layer ... I am missing somemething, probably fundamental and simple. 19:09:47 And, if you think the wiki is incomplete, we need to know 19:09:53 More specifically: ssh -6 -X moya.trilug.org 19:10:06 The X is optional. 19:10:09 of course 19:10:13 ssh -6 -X moya.trilug.org AH! 19:10:37 Will try that... I have the key on this computer. 19:11:08 Pilot and Moya share an IPv4 address, with Pilot responding first. 19:11:23 Nice. And, if there is no docs on the wiki on that, we can/need to address that 19:11:49 I thought that all of this was there. 19:12:06 bdmc_: it might be but not very organized? 19:12:17 All together, as I remember. 19:12:30 Been a while, though. 19:12:56 noway2: are you trying now? 19:13:14 Looking for the steering wiki. 19:13:20 Yeah. In any case, and to everyone here, do not ASSume all there is to know about trilug is in the wiki. If you can't find it, let us know 19:14:01 Whats the steering wiki again? 19:14:39 steering.trilug.org 19:18:48 trying Moya getting hung up on password... 19:20:03 I know I setup your account on moya using the pub key you gave me. We can check that 19:20:40 its like it's not seeing the key. It's not my default one and the -i option doesn't seem to function. Will need to look at that, but it is trying to connect. 19:21:10 I will look into that and email you 19:22:07 Ok. I set "IdentityFile" in the SSH config and it's still asking for a password. If you would, please check the logs. Maybe it will show the error. 19:23:05 Will do 19:23:33 Anything pressing we need to deal with in this meeting? 19:24:23 No, but please look at the wiki too. I am not seeing anything jump out at me about working with Moya. It seems to be the old system (only). 19:24:54 Sure thing 19:27:00 Thank you. I appreciate it :P 19:27:02 Hmmm. I'm not even getting a response from Moya. 19:27:12 ( SSH isn't connecting ) 19:27:55 I connected doing ssh -p 622 raubvogel@moya.trilug.org 19:28:07 ok. got in. Forgot to include the user name, so it was trying to use my unc ONYEN id ... 19:28:24 and it just took me right to pilot. 19:28:33 noway2: check mail 19:29:38 noway: if you got in to pilot, then you are either using IPv4 instead of 6, or you didn't do the port number that Mauricio showed. 19:30:45 ssh -6 -X -i ~/.ssh/moya_key noway2@moya.trilug.org Maybe because I am behind a proxy that may be IPv4 only or something. 19:31:12 Try that port 622 instead. 19:31:38 noway2: I emailed you what I have as your pub key 19:31:50 Got it (both the mail and now I am in Moya) 19:31:56 The port was the key 19:32:03 Another mystery solved 19:32:14 That means that you don't have IPv6 connectivity. 19:32:31 note the lissez-moi file. It has your initial pw in moya 19:32:42 Not surprising. I am on the UNC CH network behind the energy services proxy. I see that file. 19:32:43 Change it whenever you can 19:33:07 noway2: another mystery solved! 19:33:43 I will take a leap and say that pilot is just a VM running on the moya (linx) host.... and this is where we need to spin up a pilot 2.0. Some documentation would be the next step. Never played with virtualization. 19:34:01 virtualization is fun 19:34:12 Which flavor should i read up on? 19:34:18 noway2: exactly -- I thought that you knew that 19:34:41 I was thinking Moya was a hosting provider like Linode. 19:34:47 noway2: kvm/libvirt 19:34:57 No, it is owned hardware. 19:35:13 gotcha .. Makes sense. I will do some reading. 19:35:19 noway2: I hope you like XML 19:35:36 There are tools. B-) 19:35:43 It's ok. not as clean as JSON, but I have used it. 19:36:03 Also, just copy one of the existing configurations and make adjustments. 19:36:54 Cool. That will make things simpler. Once we get the base machine up, then I think we have a solid plan from previous discussions. 19:37:37 As I remember, the plan was to build multiple machines to take Pilot's place. 19:38:32 At least one. I think we were going to get it up, then get the LDAP auth going, then the web and email server, which will cover a lot of the core functions and get everyone who still uses it migrated. 19:39:06 Much of the information is there, but the format will have changed. Also the system init structure is totally different in newer distros. 19:40:02 Ah, it looks like Moya aka debian 8 went EOL too.... 19:40:54 However, that is a newer distribution than Pilot, so should be easier to upgrade when the time comes. 19:41:23 Agreed. It should be migratable. Let's focus on Pilot first because that's going to go belly up with LetsEncrypt in 5 months. 19:42:19 That has been the plan all along. 19:43:43 Ok. We've been 1.25 hours and made good progress on Moya status ... last couple of topics email and finance? 19:45:46 Shoudl we cover it orsave for next? 19:46:24 Probably better to save it. Going forward, I'll make a point of stopping in here on Mondays at 1:30 even if there isn't an agenda sent out. 19:47:47 Well then. 19:47:56 Thanks allo foyu for showing up! 19:48:01 #endmeeting