18:32:06 <raub> #startmeeting
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18:32:17 <raub> #chair bdmc noway2
18:32:17 <Tribot> Current chairs: bdmc noway2 raub
18:32:24 <raub> #topic 1. Check for Agenda Additions
18:32:53 <bdmc> I expect that the comment from CMP is included already?
18:32:59 <raub> I hope jeoff is here
18:33:04 <jeoff> me too
18:33:06 <raub> CMP?
18:33:11 <raub> #chair jeoff
18:33:11 <Tribot> Current chairs: bdmc jeoff noway2 raub
18:33:20 <bdmc> You didn't see the messages in the mailing list?
18:33:37 <raub> Yeah but trying to associate CMP with something
18:33:45 <bdmc> Cristobal
18:33:53 <raub> Oh
18:34:16 <raub> That should be under General business I thought
18:34:28 <bdmc> You just asked about the Agenda.
18:34:46 <raub> bdmc: just seeing if there was new entries I missed
18:34:55 <raub> #topic 2. Current Topics
18:35:04 <raub> I will do this quickly
18:35:19 <raub> Percona done. SUSE Next month
18:35:24 <raub> Any questions?
18:35:30 <bdmc> No I.
18:35:39 <jeoff> no
18:35:43 <noway2> nope
18:35:47 <raub> Moving on
18:35:50 <raub> #topic 3. Future Topics
18:35:53 <bdmc> I had some audio issues, but it seemed like a good show.
18:35:59 <raub> jeoff: write thingies
18:36:18 <raub> You are on April
18:36:27 <raub> That is all I have for now
18:36:32 <jeoff> Yeah, I saw
18:36:49 <raub> Good. So moving on to the big topic
18:36:54 <bdmc> May is, technically, elections.
18:37:03 <raub> That too
18:37:07 <raub> #topic 4. Tech Items
18:37:14 <bdmc> We could do something in the way of a round table, there, too.
18:37:27 <bdmc> OK, I'll quit talking about 3.
18:37:52 <raub> bdmc: Sure. We can add it
18:38:30 <raub> So, we do need to take care of the update. I suggest to focus on getting Mail up in new pilot
18:38:39 <raub> (or call it Dargo for all that I care)
18:38:56 <bdmc> Why mail, specifically?
18:39:11 <jeoff> Can we set aside time this weekend to swarm on this issue?
18:39:15 <noway2> Lots of spam issues for one. Two, it too will be tied to the Let's Encrypt update.
18:39:15 <raub> Because letsencrypt
18:39:31 <raub> and the issues noway2 mentioned
18:39:37 <bdmc> OK.  Just checking for reasons.
18:40:03 <noway2> That is one question I just thought of ... the IP address of Pilot2 or whatever we're going to call it....
18:40:19 <bdmc> IPv6?
18:40:48 <bdmc> Not completely certain ( bad memory ) but I think that we have a block assigned.
18:40:57 <noway2> That should work..... at least conceptually....
18:41:59 <bdmc> Since Mail is not necessarily piloting, then a different name might be appropriate.
18:42:11 <raub> noway2: for all practical purposes, It might only need to get some port forwarding?
18:42:37 <bdmc> 25 inbound would go to a different place.
18:42:50 <bdmc> At least for IPv4.
18:43:38 <bdmc> Especially since Moya and Pilot already share IPv4 space.
18:43:45 <noway2> It's been a little while, but I think Pilot is on a private IP that masquerades over to the public.
18:44:02 <noway2> If so we can migrate services as we
18:44:05 <noway2> are ready
18:44:25 <raub> noway2: hence my port forwarding suggestion
18:44:25 <bdmc> Don't forget that we are already planning on multiple machines.
18:44:49 <noway2> True. Services on one, users on the other, right?
18:44:58 <bdmc> Or more.
18:45:29 <bdmc> Machine for LDAP, machine for Mail, machine for Users, etc.
18:46:16 <raub> Containers are also on the table
18:46:31 <bdmc> ( Back to the weekend -- I can make some time. )
18:46:34 <noway2> Mail and web would share a common cert that it's in the common /lets_encrypt folder.
18:46:43 <raub> noway2: agreed
18:46:48 <jeoff> Seems like we need something like Netbox to inventory our services and stuff
18:47:09 <jeoff> Would make the upgrade easier if we had an detailed list of services and their locations
18:47:24 <bdmc> We have prepared some documentation of those things.
18:47:40 <bdmc> MAY still be in the Steering Wiki.
18:47:40 <noway2> I did the audit / inventory of the Pilot resources too a while back.
18:47:56 <raub> jeoff: yep. Probably in https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/PhysicalServerLayout#Server:_pilot
18:48:16 <bdmc> Wow!  How's that for a memory.
18:48:25 <jeoff> I may or may not have forgotten how to access the steering wiki
18:48:40 <bdmc> Your own user id and password.
18:48:58 <raub> noway2: did you add that to the docs?
18:49:23 <noway2> No, I just figured out editing the wiki last week.  It turns out I didn't have an account on it, until then.
18:49:26 <raub> jeoff: use your pilot auth
18:49:33 <jeoff> I'm in, thanks
18:49:53 <raub> noway2: I remember that. Once again, email me or the steering list if you have questions
18:50:27 <noway2> (thumbs up)
18:51:13 <raub> noway2: do not think we are just throwing you to the lions and then going get some beer
18:51:29 <noway2> Hey, wait, there's beer involved?
18:51:54 <raub> That would be telling ;)
18:53:48 <raub> So, what's the plan?
18:53:55 <raub> the guardian publix last straw
18:54:12 <jeoff> Is there a time slot this weekend that works for people?
18:54:12 <raub> Wrong window, but important for a FL bloke like me
18:54:29 <raub> jeoff: primetime or daytime?
18:54:58 <bdmc> Yes?
18:55:27 <noway2> Im a little lost here, but if you're saying we need to commune on a weekend, the weather looks lousy both days, temp wise.
18:56:16 <raub> I think he meant virtual
18:56:38 <bdmc> Since the access to the machine is virtual.....
18:57:04 <jeoff> Always virtual. Time of day doesn't matter as long as there's consensus
18:57:15 <raub> Agreed
18:57:35 <noway2> I should be free for the most part this weekend if needed.
18:58:56 <bdmc> I can make time almost whenever.
18:58:59 <raub> During daytime, wed 12-2 is open. And Fir 12-onwards.
18:59:10 <raub> (we could do a google thingie)
18:59:23 <jeoff> Thanks, I'll follow up offline since we're low on time
18:59:25 <raub> Evening, as of now any day but tonight
18:59:26 <bdmc> ????? When is Wednesday on a weekend?
18:59:41 <raub> Ok, I read week
18:59:50 <noway2> Wed and Fri are also usually good for me.
18:59:58 <raub> Weekend, just le tme know what times you have open
19:00:32 <jeoff> I am free all weekend
19:01:05 <noway2> As far as I know, same here.  Once it warms up, in the future, I have some stuff I NEED to do, but too cold right now.
19:01:30 <jeoff> Cool, that's all for me. I'll send stuff to the steering list as follow up
19:01:40 <raub> noway2: burning man event?
19:01:47 <raub> jeoff: K
19:02:11 <noway2> raub: have a chicken (coop) palace that's been in progresss that needs to be finished.
19:03:03 <raub> noway2: Aha
19:05:57 <bdmc> Anything else?
19:06:01 <raub> Not from me
19:06:15 <noway2> not on my end
19:06:42 <jeoff> no
19:07:13 <raub> Well then. Thanks for showing up. Let's get server thingie under control
19:07:17 <raub> #endmeeting