19:00:58 #startmeeting 19:00:59 Meeting started Tue Nov 8 19:00:58 2011 UTC. The chair is justis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:07 #chair justis alpo coxn 19:01:09 Current chairs: alpo coxn justis 19:01:23 #topic justis waits for other participants 19:01:41 fwiw, I hope this meeting is quick 19:04:59 reset 19:05:41 ooookay 19:05:46 now I'm back 19:06:17 aaaand I lied 19:06:26 I have to go lay hands on a machine to get its serial and whatnot 19:06:27 back in 10 19:13:10 hey 19:13:21 billf: hey :) 19:13:50 billf: thanks for processing all those membership applications 19:14:35 billf: and thanks for http://trilug.org/wiki/Tips_For_Speakers 19:14:49 no problem 19:15:12 * alpo is here 19:15:39 #topic general meeting on Thursday 19:15:59 it looks like Dylan has been preparing ... does anyone have concerns for him that we have not yet raised? 19:16:22 who is getting drinks? 19:16:25 who is ordering pizza? 19:16:41 i guess i am pizza boy, unless someone else wants it 19:16:45 anything else we should be considering in advance of Thursday? 19:16:57 #action alpo to order pizza 19:16:59 i should confirm with our pizza sponsors 19:17:06 alpo: thanks on both those points :) 19:17:14 #action alpo to confirm sponsorship with CTG 19:17:35 they did not respond before 19:17:56 i do not have a good feeling about CTG in general, and specifically this month 19:19:07 alpo: can you expand on that? 19:20:08 iirc, snyrk usually gets the drinks? 19:20:21 my personal bias - i hate recruiters 19:21:05 i know in the past we have had recruiters eager to "sponsor maybe next month" and we never hear from them 19:22:53 i sent stephanie a reminder on 10/28, and did not receive any acknowledgement, even a "k" 19:23:59 alpo: ick, ok 19:24:10 well, our members are the most reliable pizza sponsor we have 19:24:14 I'm glad that we have them :) 19:24:20 and them, us 19:29:17 #action snyrk to get drinks for Thursday 19:29:26 crafting a carefully worded "assuming your offer still stands" letter for CTG 19:29:28 aaand I'm back 19:29:52 #topic updates for pilot 19:30:11 we desperately need to upgrade to 10.04LTS 19:30:19 coxn: o/ 19:30:26 alpo: agreed 19:30:27 yeah that's me 19:30:28 but we had been holding off because of our degraded RAID 19:30:48 so do we need to buy drives? 19:30:52 or what do we need? 19:30:56 what kind of guild are we if we can't do a raid? 19:30:56 we just need to reconfig what we have 19:31:05 do I need to more agressively take point on this? 19:31:11 * coxn chuckles at justis 19:31:16 coxn: :) 19:31:33 coxn: I encourage you take point on this. We need someone to own it. 19:31:36 also, unrelated to the do-release-upgrade... 19:31:41 shall we go ahead and do the kernel update? 19:31:47 i attempted to pvmove our stuff to the lonely unused RAID array, and that locked up pilot 19:31:52 if so, is Friday at 4pm good? 19:32:14 i am not as concerned with the kernel update as I am about 10.04 19:32:23 (since we're still on 8.04) 19:32:59 these are the packages scheduled for upgrade: linux-image-2.6.24-29-server linux-libc-dev tzdata 19:33:17 good lord we're so far back 19:33:36 alpo: idk, kernel updates on an older LTS may be pretty important 19:33:45 sure, they are 19:33:59 #action coxn to upgrade kernel on Friday at 4pm 19:34:09 Friday is good. It allows us to announce it at the meeting. 19:34:22 so beyond the small patch 19:34:29 when can we look at a proper ugrade? 19:34:39 #action coxn to send email today announcing Friday's kernel upgrade 19:34:47 it makes sense to fix the RAID and upgrade to 10.04 at the same time 19:35:11 alpo: you have any time this weekend? 19:35:33 I'm happy to be copilot for such an endeavor 19:35:43 esp. this weekend 19:35:46 i could work on it on sat AM 19:36:05 if we do that, I'll make a big announcement for a four-hour downtime or somesuch 19:36:15 instead of a small announcement for a Friday kernel patch 19:36:43 8:30am too late to start? 19:36:55 does this need to be on site? 19:37:52 if i can get a console and/or a reset switch from dargo or rygel, then i am OK doing it remotely 19:38:55 if you guys can describe a simple and compelling rollback option, then I think Saturday is good 19:39:32 justis: "rollback" is new install instead of upgrade 19:39:48 my plan would be to pvmove off of the degraded array, take it out of the LVM volume group, potentially back up /, then upgrade using do-release-upgrade 19:39:54 alpo: if you're comfortable with that and you can help me get a console, I'm comfortable with it 19:39:57 but I had assumed on-site 19:40:07 on-site works, too 19:40:54 because i would hate to lose time just screwing around trying to get a console or to reset 19:41:20 plus, i could bring in a USB drive to back up / 19:41:40 just warn all users to backup their files before the upgrade 19:41:47 yeppers 19:42:03 okay so... are we agreed on a downtime starting at 8:30am local on Saturday? 19:42:03 and we need to make sure we have backups of the ldap and mailman databases 19:42:09 and alpo and I will be on-site? 19:42:12 heck /home is only 200G 19:42:20 and he and I will work out all the details in the nearish future? 19:42:29 and I'll send out an announcement this afternoon? 19:44:18 going once... 19:44:24 if it's important for users to backup their own data before this upgrade, then we should give at least 14 days notice 19:44:35 can we backup pilot data onto rygel's disk before the upgrade ? 19:44:41 if we trust our own backups, then let's do it 19:44:42 rygel's disk is too small 19:44:44 if we're on-site, we can do it with an external drive 19:45:23 agreed 19:45:25 if you use an external drive, start the backup a couple of days prior so your not waiting around 19:46:21 i suppose i could starn an rsync tonight 19:47:52 task added to my calendar for tonight 19:48:11 #action alpo to start an rsync backup in advance of the upgrade 19:48:51 could we add bigger disk to rygel so we can rsync pilot ? 19:49:03 cool... did we already get the action for me for announcement today and work on Saturday? 19:49:10 #action coxn to send announcement today about an upgrade to 10.04LTS on Saturday morning 19:49:15 and do we have anything left that we haven't come to consensus on? 19:49:26 #action coxn to upgrade us to 10.04LTS on Saturday 19:49:34 #action alpo to help coxn with upgrade on Saturday 19:49:34 drinks ? 19:50:21 #topic drink 19:50:33 * justis is thirsty 19:51:57 does anyone have a link handy for the poll? 19:51:58 okay I finally did the poll 19:52:08 coxn: were you the last one? 19:52:12 #link http://www.congregar.com/vote/82n4vcdoxom1vhasany0ba6hx/ 19:52:16 possibly? 19:52:19 I didn't check 19:52:59 hey look ... all 5 of us are available both this weekend and next weekend 19:53:15 I nominate Sunday 13th Nov 19:53:36 the longer we leave this the tighter my calendar gets 19:53:48 assuming coxn and I are done with the upgrade after 36 hours... sure 19:54:07 might be good for a debrefe 19:54:20 * alpo is keeping his briefs on, thank you 19:54:28 I could do Sat miday 19:54:53 can we bring beer to SunGard ? 19:55:01 Thats the problem with these polls, they need time blocks 19:55:08 no liquid in the server room 19:55:14 days = large blocks 19:55:22 yeah 19:55:28 well, I'm open all day on both days 19:55:42 there's some stuff going on at SplatSpace that I might check out 19:56:11 one of our members is reinstalling asterisk and has offered to make it a mini-workshop and to answer questions 19:56:16 sun evening ? 19:56:20 and a couple others are working on the Google AI challenge 19:56:30 sure, Sunday evening works 19:56:43 (ooh, asterisk) 19:57:12 I'm not against meeting at SplatSpace on Sun if that works out better. Otherwise pick a pub 19:59:44 coxn: what's your transportation situation on Sunday? 20:00:13 if transport is a problem, i can do some shuttling 20:00:19 sat or sun 20:01:35 Sunday? 20:01:39 you mean Saturday? 20:01:42 sorry for the delay 20:01:52 coxn: upgrade on Saturday; drinks on Sunday 20:01:58 coxn: unless you want to vote otherwise 20:02:07 both sound fine 20:02:10 I can borrow a car 20:02:11 or we just do it all on Sat 20:02:18 either way 20:02:23 if cars are a problem we can do both on sat 20:02:23 somebody just ping me with the results 20:02:44 (sorry... trying to do three things at once) 20:02:45 ok, i'll break the log jam with a vote for sunday evening 20:03:14 do we also want food or is it just drinks? 20:03:30 food is OK 20:03:43 if evening, I vote food also 20:03:46 and not just drinks 20:05:40 ok, place? splatspace? some place we voted on before, in carrboro? 20:05:55 jeff's apartment? 20:06:16 obviously I have a preference for Carrboro 20:06:22 because that would mean no need for a car on Sunday 20:06:30 but I'll make wherever work 20:06:38 coxn: can you pick a place in Carrboro 20:06:50 I don't know the area 20:07:26 ok, suggestions to follow via email and on thu night meeting 20:07:33 three places I'll suggest: (1) Milltown, (2) Southern Rail, and (3) Carolina Brewery 20:07:41 for food, I recommend Dos Taquitos 20:07:52 the first two have the edge on the food, but are also marginally more expensive 20:07:57 but I'll eat in Carrboro 20:08:00 Milltown has the best beer selection 20:08:09 CB brews its own 20:08:24 Southern Rail has the novelty of being in a rail car 20:08:29 * coxn shrugs 20:09:03 they all sound good, we will decide via email then 20:09:32 yes, and let's adjorn soon 20:10:01 I will bring the box and last months money on Thursday 20:10:19 billf: thanks :) 20:10:38 * justis got sucked into helping another developer with something ... still thirsty, tho 20:12:12 * alpo is off to solve a software bug 20:13:04 alpo, billf, coxn: thanks ... have a great day :) 20:13:09 #endmeeting