16:30:32 #startmeeting 16:30:33 Meeting started Mon Apr 30 16:30:32 2012 UTC. The chair is justis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:39 #chair alpo billf coxn justis snyrk 16:30:40 Current chairs: alpo billf coxn justis snyrk 16:30:51 #topic agenda and roll-call 16:30:56 who's here? 16:31:01 anything to add to agenda? 16:31:45 alpo: ping 16:31:51 billf: ping 16:31:53 coxn: ping 16:31:55 snyrk: ping 16:32:44 pong 16:32:49 ping 16:33:55 y'all happy with the agenda? 16:34:17 sure 16:34:23 I added a sponsor to the list 16:35:23 is it Caktus? 16:35:24 I like them 16:35:26 good folks 16:35:48 coxn: ping 16:35:50 snyrk: ping 16:38:13 #topic May sponsor: Caktus 16:38:30 I move that we accept the sponsorship offer 16:38:38 billf: many thanks for cultivating it! 16:38:47 we should push for a check, but if they only do CC, maybe we can use my square to get $300 instead of $150 16:38:57 alpo: good idea 16:39:22 who wants to handle them ? 16:39:28 IMO, buying the pizza should not get you 15 mins at the podium 16:39:33 that should be $300 16:39:48 billf: what do you see as the remaining tasks to "handle" them? 16:40:29 push for $300, get marketing material for event page and email of announcements 16:41:44 I can write a quick email, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to follow-up much. 16:42:23 if you guys are looking for a volunteer, i can handle it 16:42:28 alpo: :D 16:42:44 +1 16:42:44 alpo: I think you've done a great job with other sponsors in the past, too 16:43:02 #action alpo to follow-up with Caktus about sponsorship 16:43:04 time to dig out some of my previous emails :-) 16:43:08 anything else on this topic? 16:43:31 alpo: only if you think it saves time; don't feel like my compliment obligates you to meet/exceed past performance 16:43:39 no problem 16:43:41 one interesting note 16:44:00 i attended an apple developers meeting... they had steady sponsorship from teksystems 16:44:12 pizza every month and a room every other month for the last year 16:44:12 hmm 16:44:17 wow 16:44:35 apparently, teksystem sees that as a key market for them, so they are treating the apple devs nicely 16:45:04 i wonder if we can play our membership demographic to any particular recruiters 16:45:19 i know that some specialize in IBM contracts, and that's usually linux 16:45:28 I don't like the idea of a single sponsor, but I do like the idea of steady sponsors. Maybe we set a sponsorship level which is a comittment to 3 meetings / year. 16:45:40 aim for 4 of them 16:45:41 right, like peak10 16:45:50 do we already have that deal with them? 16:46:07 we are in their budget for 2+ meetings per year 16:46:20 nice 16:46:30 (possibly 4, i forget... but brenda is on our calendar for 3) 16:46:32 2 16:46:35 d'oh 16:47:37 * justis added this topic to https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/Steering_committee_meeting_agenda#2012-05-06 16:47:39 just wanted to bring it up... never seen recruiters targeting a tech group like that 16:47:51 #topic treasurer's report 16:48:14 I have pinged snyrk here and via SMS, with no response. 16:48:23 He gave a brief treasurer's report last week. 16:48:37 billf: is there a reason you requested another one today? 16:48:46 IMO, monthly is adequate. 16:49:14 justis: did Jeff provide a pdf or similar doc ? 16:49:31 billf: No. He reported numbers here on IRC. 16:49:42 aren;t the gnucash files and bank statements in the truecrypt? 16:49:52 billf: So, you're looking for a formal doc? 16:50:05 I was, just to keep everything trim and proper 16:50:10 The ideal would to receive a balance sheet and a P&L each month. 16:50:26 I'm still very happy with our improvement over past terms. 16:50:31 * alpo would not find that ideal 16:50:35 alpo: why? 16:51:00 * alpo would be happy with a "thumbs up" symbol and a link to the gnucash file if we're interested 16:51:13 hrm 16:51:16 we really should all review the accounts and agree to them as being correct (once a year) 16:51:38 maybe balance sheet and P&L quarterly instead of monthly 16:51:44 I'm with billf on this one. 16:52:03 if we're already tracking it in gnucash, it's not particularly difficult to create those docs 16:52:07 i won't argue 16:52:20 ok 16:52:25 we, as the SC, need to do our due dillagence 16:52:30 agreed 16:52:47 that's true... we're stepping up to a new level of competence 16:53:14 #action snyrk to produce a balance sheet for today's date 16:53:23 (can i throw in another piece of trivia/history?) 16:53:26 #action snyrk to produce a P&L for the past year 16:53:36 alpo: sure 16:53:54 we really need an end of financial year report, not necessarily todays date. what do we have to file with the irs ? 16:53:56 at the apple dev meeting, i met the guy who wrote our articles of incorporation 16:54:13 billf: that's fair 16:54:31 #action snyrk to produce another balance sheet for 2011-12-31 16:54:52 billf: balance sheets should be trivial to produce; I'd like to see one for right now. 16:55:00 alpo: oooo 16:55:18 alpo: did you get his contact info? 16:55:37 yeah, it's rob napier 16:55:53 alpo: does trucrypt have copies of the bank statements as well ? 16:56:03 good friends with jeri 16:56:07 looking now 16:56:38 no, just the ones from coastal FCU 16:57:06 I should state that it is not that I don't trust Jeff. 16:57:35 well, we all trusted former SC members that were not so organized, and maybe not so diligent 16:57:41 so we should have copies of the bank statements so we can compare with the (gnucash) report 16:58:35 the term during which we particularly trust our treasurer is a good term during which to put safeguards and controls in place for future treasurers 16:59:02 that said, I recognize that snyrk has very little time to spare right now. 16:59:04 agreed 16:59:50 agreed 17:00:27 gnucash file in truecrypt may be lagging 17:00:52 ok, we can move on to the next topic 17:01:06 yes 17:01:06 * snyrk reads back 17:01:29 ahh, cool, your here ! 17:02:16 * justis holds this topic open for input from snyrk 17:02:31 snyrk: hey, man! Nice to see you :) 17:04:32 sorry for the delay 17:04:43 last two years i produced an annual report 17:04:54 if we want to change that, it's simply a matter of setting expectations 17:05:32 snyrk: am I right in thinking that it would be easy to create monthly balance sheets? 17:05:42 I am asking primarily in terms of the workload for future treasurers 17:05:48 since this would only affect snyrk once 17:06:09 if you simply want to use the report format I had previously used for annual reports, then it should be trivial 17:06:17 at least, until we convince him to return in 2013 ;) 17:06:37 hah... just give me 32 hour days, and I'm in 17:06:57 anyway, point is, expectations 17:07:14 we can put a "list of duties" for the treasurer and other positions on the wiki 17:07:22 snyrk: good idea 17:07:31 since they won't be formally part of the AoI, but still something we can reference 17:08:41 i'll put something together for the wiki, including sample reports 17:08:53 @snyrk++ 17:09:19 snyrk: define "something for the wiki"? Is that the "list of duties" for the treasurer? 17:09:30 (for all officers) 17:09:42 yes, i think we need to have a list of duties per officer somewhere 17:09:42 and we can add as needed 17:09:42 alpo: I would think that it would take all officers to create that. 17:09:53 that's why it's a wiki 17:10:01 but the treasurer has the most obvious set of regular needs 17:10:06 fwiw, I still like the hot-swappable SC members idea 17:10:34 sure, but it still needs to fall to someone if no one else gets around to it 17:10:40 but each officer should have certain responsibilities for which "the buck stops here" ... with it being totally encouraged that someone else might pick it up before they get to it 17:10:44 snyrk: ditto 17:10:46 yes, exactly 17:10:57 agreed ... BTW, we're at T+40 minutes 17:11:03 ok 17:11:08 where is the trucrypt password ? 17:11:10 I'm adding this one to next week 17:11:18 billf: look under your keyboard 17:11:22 billf: in the wiki, of coure =/ 17:11:29 billf: didn't you put it on a post-it note there? :p 17:11:48 that's a secret - it should go in the truecrypt 17:12:02 same as root password --- ok 17:13:21 not working for me, bummer, lets move on then 17:13:37 "better password management" is on the list of thing we never get arount to 17:14:04 got it working ! 17:14:42 * snyrk gives billf a TrueCrypt skill badge 17:15:51 * justis added documenting SC roles to https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/Steering_committee_meeting_agenda#2012-05-06 17:16:00 #topic SC nominations and voting 17:16:12 not much chatter on the mailing list 17:16:16 about the SC? 17:16:19 i had hoped there would me more 17:16:20 yes 17:16:23 maybe we need to stir the pot 17:16:25 we should talk it up 17:17:06 do we need to do anything on this topic ? 17:17:46 billf: maybe we all just need to take it to trilug@trilug.org 17:17:56 yes 17:18:01 on this topic, at least 17:18:15 although, I would like to ask for some personal input from the 3 of you 17:18:34 I have recently trimmed a bunch of stuff from my life, to get better control of my schedule 17:19:08 which makes a little more room for TriLUG, if I run (and get enough votes) 17:19:30 but I'll still have my "shorten the list of responsibilities" hat on 17:19:47 so, I'm asking you guys to tell me what you think I bring to the SC 17:19:55 * alpo thinks that justis has made a lot of good "attitude/positioning" improvements to the SC this year 17:20:00 that we aren't likely to get from this awesome new batch of candidates 17:20:10 or that I couldn't contribute from an informal role 17:20:36 alpo: thanks :) 17:20:38 +1 for Justis 17:21:21 though I'm terrible at citing examples, it is clear to me that SC will lose a great asset without you 17:21:31 btw, for those who may have known this was on my radar, I have decided *not* to attend Summer Session I at NCSU. I am still considering Summer Session II and very likely to attend Fall Semester. 17:22:05 FTR, that will be *one* class per term, not a full load 17:22:10 snyrk: thanks :) 17:22:30 ok, I recognize that you guys can't articulate the reasons ... but I appreciate the sentiment 17:22:45 summer I/II (not 10-week) are a bit crazy 17:22:47 * alpo gives justis a man-hug 17:22:59 I'll think on it tonight and will seriously consider running for SC again. 17:23:07 alpo: thanks, bro! :D 17:23:14 snyrk: yeah, that's part of what concerns me 17:23:26 ok 17:23:42 #action alpo to post to trilg@trilug.org about SC nom-nominations 17:23:48 #action coxn to post to trilg@trilug.org about SC nom-nominations 17:23:54 * alpo stirs the pot 17:23:55 #action billf to post to trilg@trilug.org about SC nom-nominations 17:24:00 #action justis to post to trilg@trilug.org about SC nom-nominations 17:24:06 #action snyrk to post to trilg@trilug.org about SC nom-nominations 17:24:45 * justis adds "ballots for SC election" to https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/Steering_committee_meeting_agenda#2012-05-06 17:24:56 #topic June meeting on OpenGL 17:25:37 Thanks for convincing me there is demand for developer-oriented talks. I'm actually really excited about it, just wanted to make sure I wasn't biasing TriLUG toward my own interests. 17:25:57 i am concerned that it could easily get TOO programmer-ish quickly 17:26:11 I think this is on track - just wanted to check with everybody 17:26:11 but opengl is a cool topic 17:26:21 IMO, we need to groom John. He's an untested speaker. He might also be awesome, and it won't hurt to help him be more awesome. 17:26:46 We could also repeat the format from IPv6 and ask some other folks to speak. 17:26:58 agreed 17:27:10 It would be great if we could find someone to *focus* on the userland experience of OpenGL 17:27:32 FWIW, I am currently trying a crash course on WebGL for a potential client project. 17:27:45 If I convince myself to bid on the project, then I will know WebGL a lot better by June. 17:28:07 Anyhow. Any action items here? 17:28:18 who is following up with john? 17:28:29 Let's make John give us an outline ASAP. 17:29:01 instead of an outline, we might try calling him and just chatting him through the talk formation 17:29:16 alpo: that might work better, yeah 17:29:30 I have done some minor mentoring 17:29:39 i did that with one of our speakers (long time ago), just to feel out the tone of the intended talk 17:29:56 maybe it was the beagleboard guy 17:29:58 #action justis to chat with John Riselvato 17:30:03 I'm on it 17:30:07 preferably via IM 17:30:18 with f2f as backup option if John prefers it 17:30:23 great, cause I'm juggling baby, work, taxes 17:30:26 IM will give him notes on which to reflect 17:30:37 @billf++ 17:31:13 billf: as much as I appreciate your input, I still think parenting is among the most noble contributions to our society 17:32:14 #topic durham e-waste advert 17:32:23 opinions? 17:33:15 has anyone looked into them as an org ? 17:33:21 nope 17:33:26 sounds good on paper, tho 17:33:28 what are they asking for? 17:34:03 sounds like just a shout-out 17:34:07 we could do that at a meeting 17:35:06 and mailing list 17:36:02 does it blur into sposorship territory? 17:36:29 IMO, a short announcement is probably in line with our "community announcement", if it's only once 17:37:39 sure, we should add it to the announcements for the may 10 meeting 17:38:09 we can qualify it as "we jsut got word, don't know much about it" 17:38:22 maybe we also encourage him to join trilug@trilug.org and mention it there 17:38:30 and mention the opportunity to sponsor a meeting 17:38:45 or even just to show up and volunteer to take the pizza boxes to the recycling bin 17:39:01 or run for SC 17:39:08 haha, true 17:39:24 "triple bottom line" means that he does at least have a profit motive; he may be interested in sponsoring 17:39:41 postpone to next week or decide action now? 17:40:13 has anyone responded to him yet? 17:40:22 do we have a place where we keep our agenda? we can add it now 17:40:34 https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/Steering_committee_meeting_agenda#2012-05-06 17:40:44 i meant the meeting agenda 17:40:54 #topic raspberry pi preso 17:41:00 I agree. Great topic. 17:41:06 Who's presenting? I don't own one yet. 17:41:26 IMO, this would be a great talk at the 3-for-1 preso I want on open source hardware. 17:41:52 enough people are exctied about raspberry pi that even just an unboxing report would keep them happy for 20 mins 17:42:09 * alpo could join a 3-fer with an arduino 17:42:10 but it would be great to get someone who has taught it a few tricks since adopting one 17:42:16 alpo: nice! 17:42:34 the email question was asking if we would present it... so no word if anyone has one yet 17:42:41 someone on #tirlug keeps talking about his order status 17:43:39 #action justis to reply to request for raspberry pi presentation 17:43:54 I added it to my todo list for Saturday and will try not to postpone it. 17:44:04 any other comments on this topic? 17:45:34 i will send a short shout-out to the main list about the rasp-pi 17:45:41 alpo: thanks! 17:45:44 see if someone has one, if they'd like to share it with the group 17:45:55 #action alpo to send a short shout-out to the main list about the rasp-pi 17:46:07 done 17:46:12 #topic motion to dismiss 17:46:20 I think we covered it. 17:46:34 please add stuff to https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/Steering_committee_meeting_agenda#2012-05-06 when you think of it 17:46:42 any parting comments? 17:46:54 done 17:46:58 sweet 17:47:06 #endmeeting