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02:01:27 <billf> #chair coxn alpo jeremyhwllc justis
02:01:28 <Tribot> Current chairs: alpo billf coxn jeremyhwllc justis
02:01:50 <billf> #topic Sept Meeting
02:02:23 <billf> has anyone updated the workshop page at all ?
02:02:48 <alpo> i could not access it
02:03:01 <jeremyhwllc> I have not
02:03:04 <billf> http://trilug.org/2012-09-15/bluetooth ??
02:03:35 <alpo> ah, wasn't logged in
02:04:01 <jeremyhwllc> I have had company from out of town
02:04:13 <billf> jeremyhwllc: good to know.
02:05:18 <jeremyhwllc> what else do we need to add? I plan to make an announcement after this meeting for Sept meeting and workshop
02:05:20 <billf> I would like to see more scheduled activities during the workshop - does anyone want to do anything ?
02:05:43 <billf> jeremyhwllc: agreed, after this meeting
02:06:05 <justis> I will be at the geekSPARK Digital Motion Showcase during most of the workshop hours
02:06:19 <billf> justis: thought you might be busy
02:07:03 <billf> justis: did you email us a contact for Design Box for the day ?
02:08:21 <billf> which email lists should the workshop announcement go out to ?
02:09:25 <justis> SplatSpace for sure
02:09:26 <jeremyhwllc> ISSA?
02:09:30 <justis> since Ronin is a member
02:09:33 <justis> and, yes, ISSA
02:09:52 <justis> is anyone here on the nc2600 forums?
02:10:18 <justis> would this be interesting to NCSA?
02:10:19 <jeremyhwllc> no what is that?
02:10:39 <justis> jeremyhwllc: have you heard of 2600 magazine?
02:11:01 <justis> http://www.nc2600.org/
02:11:04 <jeremyhwllc> no, will have to check it out
02:11:09 <justis> they organize CarolinaCon
02:11:31 <justis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600:_The_Hacker_Quarterly
02:11:36 <jeremyhwllc> ahh
02:13:09 <justis> TAR
02:13:11 <jeremyhwllc> I could try to get in touch and pass it on
02:13:24 <justis> jeremyhwllc: maybe ask JP (ronin) to do it
02:13:28 <justis> he's probably a member
02:13:39 <jeremyhwllc> rgr
02:14:12 <justis> TAR = triangle amateur robotics
02:14:35 <justis> they might care, from a control and data acquisition viewpoint
02:14:54 <justis> NCSU LUG
02:15:06 <justis> this is one of the TriLUG meetings that is likely to attract them
02:15:20 <justis> and help them get over this misconception that we're a bunch of old fuddy-duddies
02:16:17 <billf> what about company internal lists ?  we could ask our members to pass this on to internal lists
02:17:13 <billf> how can we get listed on the GeekSpark page ?
02:17:49 <justis> billf: get details to Christy White
02:18:00 <justis> I will CC her on the message I am about to send to Aly Khalifa, owner of DesignBox
02:18:19 <billf> OK, great.  I was about to ask for her email :-)
02:18:57 * alpo is back... had a power blink here
02:20:13 <justis> what's the name of this workshop?
02:21:45 <alpo> TriLUG Bluetooth (tinkering) workshop ??
02:21:58 <billf> TriLUG Bluetooth Workshop
02:22:11 <jeremyhwllc> BT Pentesting?
02:22:27 <justis> bluetooth internals?
02:22:29 <alpo> i would hope we learn a lot more than just breaking it
02:22:37 <justis> I like tinkering
02:22:45 <jeremyhwllc> agree
02:22:55 <justis> or maybe "bending bluetooth to your will"
02:23:30 <billf> How about "Linux Bluethooth Workshop"
02:23:43 <justis> it's so generic
02:23:51 <jeremyhwllc> BT Ninja-ing
02:23:51 <justis> nothing to attract tinkerers
02:23:58 <billf> We need to be able to promote it to GeekSPARK public
02:24:01 <justis> lol, nice
02:24:16 <alpo> incedentally, i bought some $8-$15 bluetooth serial port sticks that I hooked to an arduino board, control it via a python script on my linux server
02:24:24 <alpo> this is a real enabler
02:24:26 <justis> alpo: awesome
02:24:38 <billf> so maybe promote this to the Arduino list as well
02:25:04 <billf> alpo: can you demo this at the workshop ?
02:25:14 <alpo> assuming i can make it
02:25:19 <alpo> i'd love to show it
02:25:31 <alpo> it sends me text messages when my garage door opens and closes
02:25:48 <alpo> or if i leave it open too late at night
02:26:00 <billf> can you have an activity at the workshop for arduino BT hacking ?
02:26:17 <billf> alpo: I could use that for my garage door too
02:27:11 <alpo> i stole the idea from the last make magazine, but sub'ed BT instead of 2 * $50 zigbee modules
02:27:13 <justis> how long does JP plan to do a workshop?
02:27:21 <justis> we should give him primetime (early afternoon)
02:28:16 <billf> jp said 1 to 2 hours - so I would err on 2 hrs
02:28:26 <justis> ok
02:28:37 <justis> and alpo for 2 hours?
02:28:50 <billf> So you think 2p-4pm ?
02:28:56 <justis> yeah, good slot
02:29:11 <justis> and alpo could do either 12-2 or 4-6
02:29:21 * alpo is not sure he can attend
02:29:49 <alpo> nothing hard scheduled yet, but we're entering a phase of "don't overcommit"
02:30:24 * justis can relate
02:30:45 <justis> I am taking a class at NCSU this semester and 3 classes from Coursera.org
02:30:55 <alpo> that's a lot
02:30:59 <justis> and working
02:32:24 <jeremyhwllc> Many irons in the fire here as well
02:32:48 <alpo> looking at the agenda... it looks like we have lots of traction on sept, and new speakers for oct and nov, too!
02:32:51 <justis> do we know if JP needs a projector?
02:33:02 <justis> yeah, we're in great shape on speakers
02:33:14 <justis> we can use the lead time to start recruiting show-and-tell folks for Dec
02:33:21 <justis> and speaker for Jan
02:33:42 <justis> should secure Jan speaker before early November, since folks are harder to reach during the holidays
02:33:50 <alpo> agreed
02:34:22 <jeremyhwllc> planning to hit the list with mention of Dec
02:34:27 <alpo> i noticed that doc searls (sister lives in raleigh) is starting to push a new book... might be a good time to drop a line
02:34:28 <billf> right, so let's put together the announcements for Oct, Nov, Dec over the next week
02:34:35 <jeremyhwllc> will do
02:35:00 <jeremyhwllc> Did everyone see the email about topic options for oct?
02:35:03 <justis> alpo: good thought
02:35:05 <alpo> we should also be thinking about sponsors
02:35:08 <billf> jeremyhwllc: let us know if you need help, I don't want to burn you out
02:35:41 <billf> alpo: we have Peak10 down as a possible sponsor for Oct I think, want to give them a ping ?
02:35:41 <jeremyhwllc> no worries for now
02:35:52 <alpo> they are on the books for oct
02:36:43 <jeremyhwllc> oct ?Architecture of High-Traffic Web Applications -or- Using the Linux Kernel Virtual Machine
02:36:57 * alpo likes kvm
02:37:19 <alpo> it's an easy thing for the attendees to learn about and play with
02:37:26 <billf> let's thrash out an announcement for Dec over email this week.  It doen't need to be too long, just a heads up, start thinking of demos.
02:37:28 <jeremyhwllc> I like the kvm too
02:37:45 <billf> I can see some peoples demos rolling to FOSS Fair talks.
02:37:50 <billf> KVM++
02:38:45 <jeremyhwllc> if we all agree then I will update the wiki and create an announcement
02:39:10 <billf> yep
02:40:15 <jeremyhwllc> I want to throw this out there for thoughts and maybe a future discussion - Todd was curious about bringing a POSSCON to our area
02:40:53 <alpo> wow, nice
02:41:07 <jeremyhwllc> would like to put him in touch with local resources that could help, community managers etc..
02:41:37 <alpo> SELF turned down raliegh because of venue costs
02:41:59 <alpo> we'd need someone to do some legwork on that
02:42:00 <jeremyhwllc> I went on for a while about all the great reasons why he should
02:42:11 <jeremyhwllc> count me in for leg work
02:42:28 <alpo> spoken like a man with a boring day job :-)
02:43:05 <jeremyhwllc> well SELF didn't seem to think RDU was the place
02:43:48 <billf> which venue was proposed ?
02:44:13 <alpo> i don't know which ones they checked out
02:44:18 <jeremyhwllc> So far only Raleigh Convention Center
02:44:28 <jeremyhwllc> and Mckimmon
02:44:46 <justis> Raleigh Convention Center is *expensive*
02:44:53 <justis> not sure about McKimmon
02:45:10 <justis> there are a handful of hotels in the area that can handle such a thing
02:45:18 <justis> those may be price more reasonably
02:45:55 <jeremyhwllc> If we can generate a list of possibilities I will go haggle them for quotes
02:46:18 <justis> frankly, it would be good to ask the CarolinaCon folks
02:46:27 <justis> they recently switched venues
02:46:32 <justis> and probably shopped around a bit when they did
02:46:42 <jeremyhwllc> good idea
02:46:59 <justis> the easiest way to meet them is to go to the nc2600 meeting on First Friday
02:47:13 <justis> s/easiest/most effective/
02:47:23 <billf> #topic General Business
02:47:23 <justis> there are probably hundreds of ways to reach them electronically
02:47:23 <jeremyhwllc> I just saw that a little while ago. I may plan to go
02:47:40 <justis> jeremyhwllc: it's a great group of folks ... they'll be glad to have your visit
02:47:47 <billf> do we have any other general business to cover ?
02:47:58 <jeremyhwllc> Do you know a POC?
02:48:08 <alpo> nick fury ?
02:48:17 <jeremyhwllc> rgr
02:48:21 <billf> banking ? server reboots ? t-shirts ?
02:48:46 <jeremyhwllc> tshirts++ bacause I want one
02:48:58 <justis> yeah, Nick Fury is a great start
02:49:24 <alpo> @nickfury on twitter... i am pinging him now
02:49:53 <justis> my opinion: making t-shirts the "SplatSpace way" is a lot of work and is best done as an event where people get to make their own shirts
02:50:01 <alpo> http://about.me/nickfury
02:50:11 <justis> if you just want a pile of them to sell, then pay someone to make them for us
02:50:22 <jeremyhwllc> agree
02:50:57 <jeremyhwllc> Charlotte Drupal had some good quality shirts at SELF
02:51:33 <billf> window decal's (techshop vinyl cutter)
02:51:51 <justis> billf: FabLabsCarolinas owns a vinyl cutter, too
02:52:29 <jeremyhwllc> should we find sponsors for the tshirts?
02:52:50 <justis> re shirts we make ourselves ... there is a pride element. I am proud of my SplatSpace and FabLabs shirts in ways that other shirts don't touch, since I screened them myself with a hand-squeegee
02:53:35 <justis> but I don't want to hand-squeegee shirts for others unless they are there with me, learning how to do it
02:53:45 <jeremyhwllc> We could throw in tshirt making as a filler activity at workshops maybe
02:53:45 <billf> once the screen is made, it is fairly easy to print more shirts - was that your experience justis ?
02:53:50 <justis> yes
02:54:07 <justis> it's a total of 1-5 minutes per shirt
02:54:24 <justis> depending on how many you do and how effectively you make a production line
02:54:32 <justis> there's a lot of elapsed time, too
02:54:40 * alpo is starting to droop
02:54:41 <justis> and a lot of rinsing / washing stuff
02:55:22 <justis> if you get Drew or Jeff to make the screens ahead of time, we could make shirts at SPARKcon
02:55:30 <justis> I'm not sure how much the supplies cost
02:55:36 <justis> probably less than $100 for all the materials
02:55:41 <justis> maybe less than $50
02:55:51 <justis> let's wrap up soon?
02:56:21 <jeremyhwllc> sure, we covered a lot this meeting
02:56:30 <billf> i'm done
02:57:31 <justis> #endmeeting