03:00:50 #startmeeting 03:00:50 Meeting started Tue Nov 13 03:00:50 2012 UTC. The chair is billf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 03:00:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 03:01:00 #topic December Meeting 03:01:13 #chairs coxn justis alpo billf 03:01:38 alpo: thanks for the email to the ML about the Dec meeting 03:02:57 maybe I should have an openshift station 03:04:05 o/ 03:04:06 do we want everybody in here to come up with something? 03:04:13 I did find the wiki a PITA to login & edit - just saying 03:04:18 do we want strategies for druming up more presentations? 03:04:29 we want member participation 03:04:38 not SC carrying more of the load 03:04:47 well does anybody want to volunteer some engineering time to make our wiki more friendly? 03:05:03 I can take a stab at it, but it would likely be on Sunday 03:05:38 that's another topic entirely, and we need to work on it some other time 03:05:46 * alpo thought about adding a note about volunteers needed for the wiki... but i decided not to dilute y message 03:06:08 I would leave the wiki as is for the time being and fix it when we bring up the new servers with new software 03:06:38 I'm fine with doing that, but I think we should acknowledge that it's a bigger barrier than one might guess 03:06:41 could we just use somebody else's wiki? 03:06:44 or a google doc? 03:06:46 to membership participation 03:06:58 @justis++ 03:07:03 google doc is a good idea 03:07:13 or i could turn off http auth for a month 03:07:17 ask people to post to the ML, we can update the wiki as required 03:07:41 but we still like having them log in to post content, right ? 03:07:55 correct 03:09:11 OK, done 03:09:38 so now adding content to the wiki is "sane", must log in 03:09:41 no other hoops 03:10:06 is anybody a global watcher? 03:10:21 if anybody knows how to set that up, I'll volunteer myself 03:10:30 lock all pages except the december page ? 03:10:32 to do after-the-fact spam prevention 03:10:37 or that, yeah 03:10:40 that's a good idea 03:12:53 is there anything else we need to do for December meeting ? 03:13:01 hype it 03:13:40 #chairs coxn justis alpo billf jeremyhwllc 03:13:45 food 03:13:50 potluck 03:13:58 wiki for potluck 03:14:37 yeah we should make sure we have a good balance of real food, snacky food, sweets, drinks, etc. 03:14:39 tap specific people on the shoulder and ask them what they're presenting in Dec 03:14:53 is the potluck wiki for the dec meet? 03:15:04 jeremyhwllc: yes 03:15:16 thanks I just got here 03:16:09 just so you know, I'm not a big fan of potlucks - I have seen some other peoples kitchens 03:17:03 lol 03:17:25 we've had potlucks in the past when geeks brought doritos, no real food 03:17:58 potluck for drinks and snacks, we provide some sort of main dish? 03:18:15 Torero's, 1 mile away, sells yummy looking party platters 03:19:14 could we spend $100 on a party platter - and ask for a donation or a potluck contribution 03:19:44 if we're going to spend significant money... 03:19:51 I say we just spend the money and do it right 03:19:56 and ask for contributions to cover it 03:20:17 suggested donation of $X, where half the attendees giving $X will cover our costs 03:20:22 we did have an offer for sponsorship 03:20:27 people *like* sharing food at the holiday time 03:20:31 oh did we? for December? 03:20:32 some folks got really into it in past years 03:21:01 well potluck for dessert, then? 03:21:14 for drinks, dessert, and snacks 03:21:16 yeah, so let's not deny them the opertunity to share 03:21:40 can we ask them to update the wiki with what they plan to bring? 03:21:58 Eucalyptus Systems 03:22:19 any idea how many to expect? 03:22:30 so far, 3 ?? 03:22:42 jeremyhwllc: I think we got 50-70 in past years 03:22:48 not all at once 03:22:51 they come and go 03:23:04 I plan to attend and bring my daughter and nephew 03:23:21 I don't think Eucalyptus was offering sponsorship ... they just wanted to cross-promote meetings 03:23:21 50-70 is a lot of folks for splatspace 03:23:30 decision on Dec please 03:23:45 wait, I see the line in that email now 03:23:56 "Also, we'd love to be a sponsor for your next meetup" 03:24:06 fwiw, euc could be a neat talk 03:24:12 spaced enough after openshift 03:24:24 billf: what's the question? 03:24:44 jeremyhwllc: everyone mills about, also in the kitchen and hallway 03:24:51 guys - can y we finish this topic first before discussing Eucalyptus 03:25:03 billf: geez 03:25:09 billf: what's the question? 03:25:30 are we trying to decide on phrasing for a wikipage on food? 03:25:31 do we cater Dec or potluck, or combination 03:25:35 or a mailing list post on food? 03:25:44 billf: combination 03:25:45 we have done combo before 03:25:47 both - ML and wiki 03:25:50 cater main course, potluck for drinks, dessert, snacks 03:25:59 yep 03:26:05 ok, who wants to announce it ? 03:26:48 if somebody tells me what we're ordering I'll write it up 03:27:06 budget ? $120 for main ? 03:27:13 sounds good 03:27:24 that's a bit South of a regular meeting 03:27:49 the last two meetings wiped out the pizza 03:28:00 I have no idea what $120 will get you 03:28:28 I have had Moes catering before - no idea what it cost 03:28:30 depends where you cater 03:28:46 true catering is expensive 03:28:55 not the same as delivery 03:29:17 is there something like a jimmy john's nearby? 03:29:19 ok, let's take this onto the ML 03:29:32 we have to move on 03:29:37 I'll post a prompt for that 03:29:52 #action coxn to start caterin/delivery discussion on steering@ list 03:29:59 caterin 03:30:00 lol 03:30:06 <- tired 03:30:08 #topic January Meeting 03:30:40 I confirmed with Peter about rapi, I don't know his email address though 03:31:14 I can just blurt onto splatspace ml to start that conversation if you like 03:31:49 we need a webpage created and an ML announcement - the sooner the better 03:31:55 I plan to followup more as well after this week. 03:32:25 Thursday is my deadline to be completely out of my rental house 03:32:31 I have pete's addr, brb 03:32:41 pete@soper.us 03:32:45 we can also ask Peter if they want to do a workshop at splat on RaPi 03:33:13 #action billf will email pete@soper.us to co-ordinate RaPi January presentation 03:33:22 Anything else for Jan ? 03:33:23 that would be nice. I really look forward to the rapi talks 03:33:34 #topic Sponsor request - Eucalyptus Systems 03:33:34 raspi 03:34:08 yes, they may sponsor us 03:34:17 yes, our members would find the meeting announcement interesting 03:34:35 who would like to be our point of contact with Eucalyptus ? 03:34:35 we should also ask them if they're interested in presenting in Feb, Mar, or Apr 03:35:05 I can email they eucalyptus people 03:35:12 s/they/the/ 03:35:23 I think gregdek works for them 03:35:33 what do they do? what would they present? 03:35:44 #action coxn will email Eucalyptus to discuss sponsorship, cross promotion, etc 03:36:07 alpo: they're an abstraction layer on top of your hypervisor for managing clouds of virtual nodes 03:36:33 alpo: and they have an API much like amazon's or linode's 03:37:07 you can deploy AMIs to either Eucalyptus or to Amazon 03:37:12 but different enough to merit a presentation 03:37:14 good for development environments and for private clouds 03:37:27 #topic Childcare - Greg and Linda Tarsa 03:37:41 coxn: your up :-) 03:37:46 okay so my email pings to Greg have gone a bit stale 03:37:50 I pinged again today 03:37:58 I guess I'm looking for two things from this group 03:38:13 1) worth pestering them more to try to get them to lead childcare? 03:38:18 not sure how to judge that 03:38:29 I think we want people who are eager and responsive 03:39:15 but I guess beggars can't be choosers 03:39:19 any thoughts? 03:39:42 refresh me... this was their idea? 03:39:43 my only thoughts are legal concerns 03:40:09 I'll go ahead and pose the second question: 2) is the group down with having a childcare provider that's doing this professionally elsewhere do childcare for us? 03:40:19 in exchange for us giving out their business name 03:40:32 does this tie into the Youth and Noob stuff that's next on the agenda ? 03:40:42 err. no? 03:40:56 I think youth stuff would be direct engagement with the content of the meeting 03:41:10 coxn: agreed 03:41:11 whereas I'm wondering if we can get either professional or volunteer childcare 03:41:11 how do they benifit ? 03:41:14 for meetings 03:41:23 billf: they get promotion 03:41:28 coxn: and I think that's fine 03:41:41 billf: they get to feel good about "donating" their labor to an organization they care about 03:41:51 if they do a good enough job to impress a parent who's present at the meeting, it's a win-win for both parties 03:41:51 yeah, promotion is good 03:41:59 I put donating in quotes because I don't know how that actually works, tax wise or whatever 03:42:46 so why don't we aim for January meeting 03:42:48 so do I have consent from the group to pursue conversations with Greg and Linda about providing childcare at meetings? 03:43:02 and see if we can get the ball rolling 03:43:02 with the understanding that all we have to offer them is promotion and good feelings? 03:43:39 and we can make sure we have all the legal/liability/etc. stuff worked out once we have a tentative agreement for January? 03:43:48 I'm in 03:43:52 ++ 03:44:04 i don't see a downside 03:44:11 same here as long as the legal stuff is in order 03:44:31 i wonder what our hosts (red hat) would think 03:44:55 if it is offsite should be ok right? 03:45:07 offsite? 03:45:17 no - onsite 03:45:25 oh 03:45:29 yeah we'd have to clear it with the host regardless 03:45:33 10/10 email suggests a room at RH 03:45:46 but I'm betting that if Greg and Linda do this professionally they have all the insurance, licensing, etc. 03:45:52 and RH would be okay 03:46:06 that's not a given, but them being professionals makes things more likely to be kosher 03:46:15 Greg gives phone numbers in his 10/10 email... if you get no answer to mail 03:46:23 okay so we're resolved that I'm pursuing this 03:46:29 @alpo++ 03:46:37 I'll call if I don't hear back by tomorrow afternoon 03:46:43 coxn: feel it out with G&L and we will work through it 03:47:16 #action coxn will contach Greg and Linda about childcare arangements for Jan 03:47:21 cool 03:47:27 I'm done; move on at your leisure 03:47:27 #topic Creative Commons night - RH Jason Hibbits 03:47:53 billf: thanks for sending that email to Jason 03:48:02 I really wish this did not conflict with our dec meet 03:48:31 Jason talked to Jeremy and I about a CC night at RH in Dec. he wanted to do it on Dec 13th until I told him that's our party night at SplatSpace 03:48:49 jason said they could move the CC night 03:49:01 awesome 03:49:08 at this point I have nothing else on this topic 03:49:27 anyone else ? 03:49:49 what would one do at a CC night ? 03:50:02 we will promote it once a date is confirmed 03:50:06 presumably make content and license it in a CC manner? 03:50:14 I've got nothing else 03:50:17 let's roll 03:50:20 demo pet CC projects ? 03:50:23 #topic Beginner Night or workshop - Alex Calder (akcalder82@gmail.com) 03:50:37 Feb? 03:50:47 maybe - what would it involve ? 03:50:51 before booking a time, let's talk about content 03:50:53 I'd want our new infrastructure up so we could use it 03:51:11 I'd say we'd want to do like a cooking show 03:51:18 only for a linux install 03:51:28 show the burning of an ISO from a non-Linux host 03:51:32 I had an idea a while back about this 03:51:34 show the booting, etc. 03:51:41 some install options 03:51:42 which is a side-show for n00bs, before the main meeting 03:51:54 ok, so right now I want someone to contact Alex and discuss it with him 03:52:18 we can talk about the details on the ML, maybe on the general ML 03:52:28 once the install is demystified, move on to all the neat things that can be done with Linux 03:52:51 good call 03:52:57 who knows Alex? 03:53:01 I could talk to him about it in early December, but not now 03:53:06 I don't know Alex yet 03:53:10 no one... he just emailed the form 03:53:27 if justis is willing to lead on this, I say that's good 03:53:34 esp. if he had a vision for things 03:53:40 would that be a main meeting topic or a workshop? 03:53:42 we need to respond in a timely manner... 03:53:57 we did... on Friday 03:54:11 (good - I must have glanced over it) 03:55:44 how do I create an action for this ? 03:55:44 anything else on this? 03:56:04 someone else do an #action for me :-) 03:56:08 action: someone needs to become the presenter 03:56:10 I think just a ping saying that he should attend the December meeting and chat with us about it should be enough 03:56:12 not "for me" 03:56:41 #topic Security Workshops - John M Goodman (jmgoodm2@ncsu.edu) 03:56:42 I mentioned thAT i would present 03:57:05 #action coxn to ping Alex Calder about coming to the December meeting 03:57:17 and John's request for a security workshop 03:57:21 justis: can I drop your email in the ping I send to Alex? 03:57:28 coxn: yes, plz 03:57:35 justis: any preference on the addr I use? 03:57:39 alpo: you wanted something like this didn't you ? 03:57:51 coxn: justis@indythinker.com 03:58:10 "security workshop" is vague ... can we define this? 03:58:14 me? workshop? 03:58:22 how do we know john m goodman? 03:58:28 what prompted this? 03:58:40 form email to SC 03:58:48 refer him to the dc919 meet 03:58:55 already have 03:59:08 do we want to do something linux specific on this ? 03:59:37 John can resurve a room at NCSU for the workshop 03:59:48 billf: does he work there? 03:59:58 ok, nov 6 form email to steering 04:00:20 no idea - he has an ncsu email addr 04:00:43 is it this guy? http://books.google.com/books/about/Space_Weather_Telecommunications.html?id=Df41zyMJCy0C 04:00:49 ok, we can back burner this for a future workshop 04:01:43 #topic General Business 04:01:59 youth group 04:02:07 crap - sorry 04:02:15 no prob 04:02:23 how did I miss that 04:02:42 are you talking teenagers ? 04:02:50 at this point just an idea 04:03:07 well old enough they can grasp 04:03:46 my daughter and nephew are 11 so that age group is my initial interest 04:04:04 however teens too 04:04:12 #topic Youth 04:04:34 looks like that didn't take 04:04:35 oh well 04:04:45 i am reminded of a neighborhood teen. i showed him how he could "turn his laptop into a mac-like system" using ubuntu 04:05:06 he loved it... kids love free/cheap 04:05:10 is there anything like this already in the area? 04:06:58 i am not aware of one... it's unlikely to be a recurring meeting... not for that interest and for that audience 04:07:09 better ask the people who have kids - maybe do workshop for the boy scouts ? 04:07:30 any objections to me hitting the list sometime about it? 04:07:37 go for it 04:07:46 do it 04:07:52 rgr 04:08:00 #action jeremyhwllc to post to the main list about a youth meeting 04:08:12 ok, anything else tonight ? 04:08:16 let's be done 04:08:18 notta 04:08:56 I'm callin' it 04:08:58 #endmeeting 04:09:04 adios 04:09:06 or I guess I'm not 04:09:07 #endmeeting