01:00:25 <billf> #startmeeting 01:00:26 <Tribot> Meeting started Mon Apr 29 01:00:25 2013 UTC. The chair is billf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:00:27 <Tribot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 01:00:40 <billf> #chair billf coxn alpo jeremyhwllc justis 01:00:41 <Tribot> Current chairs: alpo billf coxn jeremyhwllc justis 01:00:48 * alpo is here and on mumble 01:00:53 <billf> #topic May Meeting - FreeIPA 01:01:21 <jeremyhwllc> jeremyhwllc is here on IRC only 01:02:01 <billf> thats fine, we will do all business via IRC anyway 01:02:26 <justis> o/ 01:02:43 <billf> jeremy agee emailed last week to say they were intending to prepare their talk this weekend and record the demo 01:03:04 * coxn waves 01:03:07 <coxn> sorry I'm late 01:03:18 <coxn> no mumble for me 01:03:41 <billf> mumble not needed toniggt 01:03:45 <coxn> cool 01:04:22 <billf> So we also have OSAS sponsorship for May - they want to buy the pizzas. 01:04:27 <justis> nice ... recorded demo is good 01:04:33 <justis> who is OSAS? 01:05:00 <billf> looking it up now... 01:05:26 <coxn> an ERP company? 01:05:27 <billf> Open Source & Standards Group 01:05:37 <coxn> these people? http://www.osas.com/ 01:06:23 <coxn> have to wonder if they actually licensed that iMac on their homepage 01:06:40 <billf> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:OSAS?rd=OSAS 01:07:16 <coxn> oh. I know Ruth 01:08:06 <justis> I think we all do 01:08:13 <coxn> so it's the fedora thing and not the accounting software/ERP thing 01:08:22 <justis> makes more sense that way 01:08:30 <justis> what do they get out of sponsorship? 01:08:51 <billf> nothing - they just wanted to buy the pizza I think 01:08:55 <coxn> possibly they have an events budget 01:08:58 <alpo> coxn: license a picture of a thing you own ? 01:09:02 <alpo> phooey 01:09:12 <coxn> alpo: trademark law is weird 01:09:17 <coxn> </derail> 01:09:29 * alpo needs to reconnect 01:09:48 <billf> so I think that only leaves us with promotion for the meeting - email, twitter, etc 01:10:28 <alpo> back 01:11:14 <coxn> so... promotion duties? 01:11:38 <billf> I'm willing to send out emails and stuff - unless someone else wants too 01:11:49 <billf> we also need to identify who to send to 01:12:27 <alpo> this is a hard topic to promote... identity, auth, etc 01:12:58 <coxn> I think the single sign-on angle is the one that's most likely to bring people in 01:13:09 <billf> I've sent it to ISSA and NC SysAdmin already 01:13:09 <alpo> if anyone wants an audio back-channel, i am on https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72d18071d5a4aff86a6b67b2f949af9e665d845f 01:13:44 <coxn> that and, for the people who are vaguely familiar with the area and think of it as hard, a pitch that emphasizes how this makes it easier 01:14:35 <justis> I can't think of any other groups that would directly care 01:14:41 <justis> besides ISSA and NCSA 01:15:12 <justis> except maybe NCSULUG, but they are pretty plugged into our mailing list already 01:15:38 <billf> anything to trilug announce is auto posted to ncsulug 01:16:01 <billf> anything else we should do for May meeting at this stage ? 01:16:17 <billf> what needs to be on the ballot paper ? 01:16:26 <justis> we could promote to SplatSpace. I don't think anybody would consider it noise and a few would consider it interesting. 01:16:55 <alpo> we should also give a little thought to the agenda... timing, stump speeches, voting, etc 01:17:33 <alpo> ballots could simply be blank papers, or maybe with a mark so we know it's a real ballot 01:17:53 <alpo> one year, i think i just brought a big pack of mini post-it notes 01:19:16 <coxn> billf: I need to get you verbiage of what people are actually voting on, but I don't think it needs to be on the ballot 01:19:36 <coxn> billf: the amendment should probably just be "Amendment? [ ] yes [ ] no" 01:19:43 <billf> my verbage ? 01:19:58 <justis> blank paper means people have to know the candidate's names. I think that's generally good, so that people don't just take a "dartboard" approach to voting. That said, spelling and handwriting can be an obstacle to tallying votes. 01:20:26 <alpo> yeah, last year, we had one vote for Barry Hill 01:20:29 <billf> so you want to vote on amending the by-laws or just accepting the policy ? 01:20:48 <justis> accepting the policy 01:21:10 <billf> justis: I think coxn wants to amend the by-laws... 01:21:15 <coxn> yeah 01:21:40 <billf> this year I would like the list of candidates to be up on the projector - we can add them real time 01:22:11 <coxn> but what the vote should be should be something like, "The Steering Committee shall have and maintain an Anti-Harassment Policy and all relevant policies and procedures to support it." 01:22:13 <billf> coxn: do you want to give people the choice ? 01:22:44 <coxn> well, I want us to have a policy that has the force of the bylaws 01:22:56 <billf> ok, so I see by-laws differently to you. 01:23:07 <alpo> "have and maintain and PUBLISH" 01:23:20 <alpo> and i can see bill's point... 01:23:21 <coxn> whether the vote is on giving us the authority to have whatever we agree on in the bylaws, or whether the vote is on the draft itself as it appears on the website.... 01:23:33 <coxn> I think the former gives us more flexibility 01:23:34 <alpo> usually the by-laws spell out how the group is governed 01:23:48 <billf> by-laws would require a vote every time you want to modify the law - ie to fix a spelling mistake 01:23:57 <coxn> yeah then let's not do that 01:24:17 <coxn> let's just have a vote that gives us the authority to have, maintain, and publish whatever is appropriate 01:24:37 <billf> right - I like your wording above 01:24:50 <justis> @coxn++ 01:25:05 <coxn> so let's try it one last time so we agree 01:25:25 <coxn> "The Steering Committee shall have, maintain, and publish an Anti-Harassment Policy and all relevant policies and procedures to support it." 01:25:45 <coxn> and we vote that into the bylaws 01:26:17 <coxn> any objections to that idea? 01:26:26 <coxn> alternate wordings? 01:26:42 <billf> where do we maintain the by-laws ? what by-laws do we have now ? 01:26:43 <alpo> "The Steering Committee shall have, maintain, and publish an Anti-Harassment Policy" 01:26:46 <alpo> short and sweet 01:26:57 <coxn> @alpo++ 01:27:03 <alpo> if we had any bylaws in the tanner era, they are long lost 01:27:20 <justis> yeah, I like alpo's version 01:27:21 <alpo> i hear from jeremy portzer that weused to have some bylaws 01:27:29 <alpo> no one knows where they might be 01:27:58 <coxn> "the box" that was lost in the handoff before I came on board 01:28:01 <billf> well, if this is voted in, we are going to have to start something 01:28:10 <coxn> agreed 01:28:53 <alpo> i think the current drupal would be adequate 01:29:19 <coxn> esp. if we track each sub-part in github or whatever 01:29:31 <coxn> we also have alpo's backup 01:29:54 <alpo> (i have a backup?) 01:30:03 <coxn> didn't you back up pilot? 01:30:10 <alpo> oh, am i supposed to MAINTAIN that backup ? 01:30:13 <alpo> i CAN 01:30:15 <coxn> don't you back up pilot quasi-regularly? 01:30:18 <alpo> but i have not been :-) 01:30:21 <coxn> ahhh 01:30:29 <alpo> i only did before the upgrade 01:30:35 <coxn> well, then possibly we should get a cheap backup system 01:30:38 <billf> we have some new hdd space to put the backups onto now 01:30:39 <alpo> but i am not opposed to it... i am backup pervert 01:30:51 <coxn> heh 01:30:54 <billf> ok, so we are off topic now 01:30:55 <alpo> yeah, we should use the new machines or dargo for that 01:30:58 <alpo> yeah 01:31:27 <billf> someone action the wording 01:31:44 <coxn> action the wording? 01:32:07 <billf> of th vote 01:32:39 <justis> parse error 01:32:53 <coxn> wait, so back up a second 01:33:16 <coxn> do we want to have "Vote for amendment? [ ] yes [ ] no" 01:33:19 <coxn> on paper? 01:33:22 <coxn> and "The Steering Committee shall have, maintain, and publish an Anti-Harassment Policy" 01:33:25 <coxn> up on the screen? 01:33:33 <billf> right 01:33:40 <coxn> or do we want to go by voice vote unless somebody demands a paper ballot? 01:33:44 <coxn> or do we... what? 01:34:00 <billf> what is required under our incorporation rules ? 01:34:06 <alpo> section 9 01:34:10 <coxn> majority of members present 01:34:14 <alpo> http://trilug.org/articlesofincorporation 01:34:18 <billf> simple majority vote I believe 01:34:31 <coxn> but under robert's rules of order you could go by voice vote if there are no nays and no objections 01:34:51 <alpo> robert was a real PITA 01:35:33 <justis> Robert's Rules of Order are for people who like meetings and who hate each other. 01:35:33 <billf> we need to move on 01:35:38 <justis> ditto 01:35:51 <billf> #topic Future Meeting Location 01:35:58 <coxn> I only suggest it because it could speed up the meeting 01:36:05 <justis> So, I talked to Matthew Frasier on Friday 01:36:16 <justis> he explained why he won't run for TriLUG SC 01:36:27 <justis> but he also explained that NCSULUG is considering moving their meeting day 01:36:30 <justis> to every Thursday 01:36:32 <billf> so NCSU is looking very good 01:36:35 <justis> and colocating with us on second Thursday 01:36:47 <justis> which gives us another convenient way to get a room 01:36:54 <justis> since they reserve one every week, anyhow 01:37:04 <justis> and they'd know we're bringing 50-100 additional people to their meeting 01:37:11 <jeremyhwllc> nice 01:37:16 <coxn> rockin' 01:37:25 <billf> do we need to prod or poke anyone this week ? anything else ? 01:37:29 <justis> yeah, I was pretty happy with that suggestion 01:37:56 <justis> I'll make sure Barry is on the same page as Matthew. If so, I consider this a done deal. 01:38:05 <justis> Barry already agreed to reserve a room for our July meeting. 01:38:23 <alpo> justis++ 01:38:23 <jeremyhwllc> ++ 01:38:28 <billf> #topic 501(c)3 01:38:29 <justis> #action justis to contact Barry about colocating TriLUG and NCSULUG in time and space. 01:39:00 <coxn> somebody quote me a number on either a lawyer or a CPA to make this happen 01:39:04 <coxn> and I'll write the check 01:39:19 <coxn> my cap is $400 01:39:26 <billf> we have let this go for too long, is anyone willing to take it on as a task and move it forward ? 01:39:31 <jeremyhwllc> kicking it down the road til after may 18th when I plan to file my own taxes and have a conversation with my accountant when I turn them in 01:39:45 <justis> coxn: our fees to the IRS will be at least $400. The lawyer or CPA will cost us another $200 to $2000. 01:40:00 <jeremyhwllc> 2000? 01:40:05 <justis> yes 01:40:14 <coxn> guh. Well we need a budget 01:40:17 <coxn> to make it happen 01:40:25 <coxn> and I'll contribute both directly and in fundraising 01:40:28 <justis> I hope it would be on the lower end, since we have paperwork from the first time this was done. 01:40:34 <jeremyhwllc> for filing for tax exempt status? 01:40:56 <justis> CPAs and Lawyers typically charge by the hour. 01:41:02 <alpo> i thought we could get some guidance from the NC Center for Nonprofits 01:41:07 <justis> yes 01:41:15 <justis> they can probably tell us how to spend less on the process 01:41:39 <alpo> i think they have lawyers on staff who will tell us out to get into compliance 01:41:56 <billf> want to pass this to the next SC so we can worry about BarCamp as a priority ? 01:42:29 <jeremyhwllc> There are some questions on the form that I was unsure how to answer, so I am hoping to get some sound advice filling it out 01:42:50 <alpo> so far, the 501c3 issue has not really "hurt" us... except one fluke of a donation from the failing windows?? user group 01:42:52 <jeremyhwllc> unless we have the copy o the first application 01:43:08 <coxn> 21:41:56 <@billf> want to pass this to the next SC so we can worry about BarCamp as a priority ? 01:43:11 <coxn> ^ this 01:43:36 <coxn> and then we get alpo's support in making it happen 01:43:37 <alpo> what does "^ this" mean ? 01:43:47 <coxn> I'm agreeing with the line above 01:43:50 <alpo> ok 01:44:29 <coxn> alpo: do you need our blessing to spend some money with the NC Center for Nonprofits? 01:44:35 <coxn> alpo: or just your own time, or... ? 01:44:52 <jeremyhwllc> accounts are still kind of burnt out right now and will be catching up for the next couple weeks 01:44:58 <jeremyhwllc> accountants 01:45:33 <alpo> i don't think NCnonprofit is looking for $$, i think they advise groups all the time on compliance 01:45:42 <coxn> cool 01:45:42 <jeremyhwllc> payroll runs the first of the month. After barcamp will be good time for me 01:45:47 <alpo> we just need to put a date on a calendar to meet with them 01:45:59 <coxn> alpo: who all needs to show up? 01:46:16 <alpo> 1 or more interested volunteeers 01:46:21 <coxn> I guess we should punt if it needs to be multiple people 01:46:32 <jeremyhwllc> I have the paperwork 01:46:34 <coxn> just schedule for June, tentatively 01:46:45 <jeremyhwllc> ++ 01:48:21 <billf> actions ? 01:48:25 <jeremyhwllc> next topic barcamp? 01:48:26 <justis> I might be able to show up to said meeting in June. 01:48:35 <justis> alpo: when you schedule with them, please invite me 01:48:40 <jeremyhwllc> same here 01:48:41 <coxn> alpo: ditto 01:48:48 <coxn> if I can't make it, no worries 01:48:54 * alpo notices that he is in charge of this meeting again 01:48:58 <coxn> and yes, next topic 01:49:11 <billf> #topic BarCamp 01:49:13 <coxn> alpo: you can hand off when next steering gets sworn in 01:49:39 <jeremyhwllc> EB2 confirmed 01:49:44 <alpo> ooh, we need a swearing in ceremony... with a ceremonial dagger and stuff 01:50:06 <alpo> do we have a list of rooms for EB2? 01:50:32 <alpo> i never saw a map, and the only thing i DID see just had a vague list of a/v equipment 01:50:38 <jeremyhwllc> email sent to IEI to notify potentially cancelling Hunt Reservation and we have til 01:50:40 <justis> I hope we can get at least one of the big lecture halls on the first floor 01:50:49 <jeremyhwllc> Friday to confirm 01:50:58 <justis> there are at least 2 which seat 100+ 01:51:03 <justis> with standing room for more 01:51:09 <alpo> that's what i was concerned about 01:51:17 <jeremyhwllc> Mitch said 1 hold about 200 01:51:24 <justis> let's get it 01:51:28 <alpo> ncsu foss fair was upstairs, and the rooms are smaller 01:51:28 <jeremyhwllc> got it 01:51:32 <justis> nice 01:51:42 <billf> what is the current sponsorship $ level ? 01:52:18 <jeremyhwllc> 1000 in hand 500 pledged from Caktus 500 pledged from Designhammer 01:52:45 <jeremyhwllc> tshirts are covered the way i see it 01:52:53 <billf> so do we do food only ? or food and t-shirts ? 01:53:26 <jeremyhwllc> silver sponsors are promised tshirts so they are not optional 01:54:00 <justis> OpenNMS 01:54:08 <jeremyhwllc> so the fund raising efforts continue for food 01:54:10 <justis> has given generously to barcamp in the past 01:54:17 <justis> "will code for food" 01:54:38 <jeremyhwllc> yes OpenNMS and two more say they will 01:55:02 <alpo> i asked Tekelec, and they're kicking it down, saying "going forward, we should do this as Oracle" (which will be a month or so) 01:55:08 <billf> did we get a quote for tshirts ? 01:55:31 <alpo> i have not mentioned that barcamp is SOON, but i did say that barcamp needs funds badly 01:55:42 <jeremyhwllc> I put a sponsor request in with the recruiting command at work 01:56:32 <coxn> I'm turning into a pumpkin 01:56:52 <justis> alpo: Wait, what? You're being assimilated? 01:57:03 <billf> need to find out the cut off date for ordering t-shirts 01:57:41 <alpo> justis: yes, Oracle agreed to buy Tekelec, planned for May 01:58:08 <justis> alpo: :/ 01:58:14 <billf> do we have a spreadsheet with costs and deadline dates ? 01:59:56 <alpo> did everyone tune out? 02:00:27 <billf> I have no idea 02:00:31 <alpo> we need some sort of wiki or google doc to track these things, costs, dates, etc 02:00:47 <justis> I am catching up on the trilug@trilug.org discussion of the anti-harassment policy 02:00:57 <coxn> I have to run 02:01:02 <coxn> sorry to bail 02:01:05 <coxn> but I'm being paged 02:01:14 <justis> coxn: have a great night! 02:01:14 <coxn> g'night all 02:01:16 <coxn> I'll catch up later 02:01:18 <alpo> gnight 02:03:18 <alpo> looks like we petered out at 1 hour 02:05:08 <billf> what was the t-shirt place in Carrboro 02:05:11 * justis peters 02:05:19 <justis> The Merch 02:07:30 <billf> what t-shirt sizes do we want to get ? 02:07:48 <alpo> that should have been a question on the sign-up form 02:08:02 <alpo> not that that observation helps us now 02:08:06 <jeremyhwllc> i plan to go with the recommendation or the tshirt printer 02:08:50 <jeremyhwllc> order 200 02:09:00 <justis> jeremyhwllc: that's the best place to start. For further data, we might ask Jason Austin which shirts they ran out of and which they had too many of. 02:09:18 <jeremyhwllc> right 02:10:15 <billf> should we ask coxn to go visit The Merch to talk about t-shirt qaulity and cost 02:10:23 <justis> yes 02:11:11 <billf> #action billf to ask coxn to visit The Merch to talk about t-shirt quality and cost for 200 shirts 02:11:17 <jeremyhwllc> I will ping DesignHammer and Caktus to get their money and logos in to us ASAP 02:11:31 <justis> fwiw, I believe the Carolina blue one from 2010 was from The Merch. I have two of them. They are sturdy, well constructed, and have lived up to probably 100 wearings and washings since 2010. 02:11:54 <billf> is there a standard barcamp logo (in vector format) ? 02:12:36 <billf> color for this year's shirts ? 02:13:27 <alpo> i like the grey-based ones from past years... one blue/grey and one red/grey 02:14:10 <billf> #topic general business 02:14:45 <justis> yes, there is definitely a standard logo 02:14:49 <justis> CC licensed 02:15:15 <justis> so, who has definitely announced candidacy for the SC? 02:15:56 <billf> I would have to search the ml for that info 02:16:21 <alpo> i seem to recall something about palmer for SC 02:16:52 <jeremyhwllc> Barry, Jack, Michael Hrivnak 02:17:12 <justis> Cristobal 02:17:21 <justis> and Bill 02:17:36 <justis> I haven't found a formal announcement from Jack 02:17:43 <justis> but I emailed him a week ago to say that I really want him to run 02:17:49 <justis> and he replied saying that I convinced him 02:17:52 <jeremyhwllc> justis are you planning another term 02:18:01 <justis> jeremyhwllc: that's what I'm trying to decide now 02:18:23 <billf> hah, would you run if I didn't ;-) 02:18:31 <justis> billf: o.O 02:18:43 <jeremyhwllc> palmer and the new guys 02:18:46 <justis> yes, but more out of a sense of obligation 02:18:48 <billf> if you had audio, you would hear me laughing 02:18:59 <jeremyhwllc> uggg 02:19:11 <justis> billf: we would do to you what we did to alpo ;) 02:19:50 <billf> we can nominate alpo this year too 02:19:57 * alpo runs 02:20:17 <billf> yay, alpo is in again ! 02:20:34 <alpo> runs AWAY, not runs for re-election!! 02:20:48 <billf> boooo 02:21:21 <billf> alright - anything else before I head off ? 02:21:25 <jeremyhwllc> we need to nominate a female for equal representation 02:21:27 <justis> nope 02:21:34 <justis> billf: thanks for running the meeting :) 02:21:39 <justis> have a great night! 02:21:43 <justis> jeremyhwllc: good idea 02:21:48 <billf> who ? 02:21:54 <justis> eronel? 02:22:02 <justis> she attends nearly every meeting 02:22:07 <justis> and has for at least 3 years 02:22:19 <alpo> let's not nominate someone "just because she's a girl" 02:22:33 <justis> I served on the SplatSpace board with her 02:22:34 <billf> might want to ask her first 02:22:40 <justis> she was quiet and not particularly involved 02:22:46 <billf> oh 02:22:47 <justis> but you could say the same about me :p 02:23:14 <justis> she definitely cares 02:23:21 <justis> I think she was rather busy during that term 02:23:25 <jeremyhwllc> good candidate i think 02:23:29 <justis> and too shy to be PR officer, which is the role we had her in 02:24:11 <justis> other than that, I can't think of any women who make it to most meetings 02:24:16 <justis> well 02:24:24 <justis> Nancy Shipon is at about 70% of them 02:24:37 <justis> and she has experience organizing NCSA 02:24:42 <justis> but may be busy with that 02:25:17 <justis> I distinctly miss Roberta Merrill. Ran into her at the Farmers Market two weeks ago. 02:25:18 <jeremyhwllc> she mentioned on the list today she attends most meetings 02:26:22 <justis> there are about another 10 women who come to 20% of our meetings, depending on which topic we're presenting. 02:27:15 <jeremyhwllc> we can work out the datails by email 02:27:53 <jeremyhwllc> need to sign out 02:28:00 <billf> #endmeeting