00:59:00 <coxn> #startmeeting 00:59:01 <Tribot> Meeting started Mon May 20 00:59:00 2013 UTC. The chair is coxn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 00:59:02 <Tribot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 00:59:07 * alpo wanders by, peeks in 00:59:10 <coxn> #chair billf IsharaComix alpo 00:59:11 <Tribot> Current chairs: IsharaComix alpo billf coxn 00:59:34 <coxn> I'll be in and out since I have a machine that's still wonky 01:00:42 <billf> you started early :-) 01:01:04 <IsharaComix> we were a minute late last week. i think we're just making up time 01:01:43 <billf> welcome everyone, let us know if your here 01:01:51 <justis> do any of you know how to script irssi to do the chanserv / invite thing so that I autojoin this channel? 01:02:10 <mhrivnak> I am here. 01:02:10 <alpo> see ~porter/.irssi/config 01:02:23 <billf> beat me to it 01:02:27 <alpo> oh wait... that's probably chmod go-wrx 01:02:47 <alpo> justis: i can send you mine 01:02:51 <justis> alpo: thx 01:03:19 <billf> #topic pilot security email 01:03:41 <justis> billf: how do we know you're not an impersonator? 01:04:01 <billf> today I logged in to pilot and opened the truecrypt folder, but I did not fail any password entries 01:04:21 <justis> whoa 01:04:26 <billf> It was the at the same time as the security email, so I believe it did trigger it 01:04:41 <IsharaComix> what are you guys talking about? 01:05:10 <billf> I have added the barcamp attendee list, with email addresses, to the truecrypt volume 01:05:33 <billf> IsharaComix: did you get an email today titled: *** SECURITY information for pilot.trilug.org *** 01:05:37 <IsharaComix> i did not 01:05:51 <mhrivnak> Neither did I. 01:06:01 <jeremyhwllc> I did not 01:06:03 <billf> ok, so I am getting emails sent to: root@pilot.trilug.org 01:06:16 <billf> I wonder how that is configured 01:06:28 <billf> alpo and justis get them too 01:06:52 <billf> alpo called me on the phone when it happened, and we talked about it 01:07:11 <alpo> /etc/aliases has an entry for root 01:07:42 <alpo> goes to CristobalPalmer,AlanPorter,JustisPeters,BillFarrow 01:08:26 <billf> so IsharaComix and mhrivnak can add themselves to /etc/aliases for root 01:08:45 <billf> #action IsharaComix and mhrivnak shall add themselves to /etc/aliases for root emails 01:09:09 <mhrivnak> IsharaComix, I'll do that now and let you know when I'm done. 01:09:15 <billf> alpo: do you know if that is on the wiki ? 01:09:16 <IsharaComix> mhrivnak, thanks! 01:09:17 <alpo> follow the conventions in the file... should be pretty understandable 01:09:25 <justis> mhrivnak: just add IsharaComix while you're there? 01:09:55 <mhrivnak> sure. 01:10:45 <billf> #action billf will investigate truecrypt security trigger this week and report at the next meeting 01:12:31 <billf> would IsharaComix or mhrivnak be willing to create a wiki page to document the process for adding new SC members (if we don't have one already...) 01:13:28 <IsharaComix> process: add to sudoers, add to root alias, add to steering mailing list, invite to irc... 01:13:33 <mhrivnak> Being a wiki, perhaps we can both tackle that. 01:14:18 * alpo is very happy to hear that 01:14:22 <billf> and something was added to ldap for you as well 01:14:31 <IsharaComix> right. 01:14:34 * alpo is used to the old "email to all, reply to all" communication :-( 01:14:48 <IsharaComix> email is evil and needs to die a very painful death 01:14:59 <IsharaComix> #noemail 01:15:13 <alpo> sudo is done through a script, stored in LDAP 01:15:24 <alpo> nothing else in LDAP for steering 01:15:26 <billf> #action IsharaComix or mhrivnak will document the process for adding new SC members 01:16:16 <billf> alpo: what about the SC wiki access authorisation ? 01:17:01 <IsharaComix> billf, right now, we just make accounts for ourselves 01:17:12 <billf> anything else on this topic ? 01:17:39 <alpo> billf: wiki uses a hard coded list of users, but uses normal LDAP passwords 01:17:53 <alpo> (just easier that way) 01:18:06 <billf> #topic Officer Positions 01:18:33 <alpo> a.k.a. Rock-Paper-Scissors 01:18:58 <IsharaComix> we originally decided to table this until the in-person meeting, yes? 01:19:18 <IsharaComix> or did we mean the "next meeting, IRL or IRC?" 01:19:29 <billf> just checking last weeks log... 01:19:53 <justis> I'm OK with either, as long as we decide before the June 13 meeting 01:19:58 <IsharaComix> mhrivnak, https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/NewOfficerProcess <- new page for the thingy 01:20:12 <justis> IsharaComix: thanks! 01:20:12 <mhrivnak> IsharaComix, cool. 01:20:23 <IsharaComix> just wanted to make sure we edited the same page. :) 01:20:59 <billf> #action pospone officer positions until face to face meeting on Thurs May 30 01:21:54 <billf> #topic 501(c)3 01:22:08 <billf> do we want to pospone this as well 01:22:22 <IsharaComix> first bring me up to speec 01:22:25 <mhrivnak> Not sure. What do we want to cover on this topic? 01:22:38 <IsharaComix> s/speec/speed/ 01:22:49 <mhrivnak> Same here. I guess a briefing on the specifics of the current state would help. 01:22:49 <alpo> there is an application form and a fee that need to be filled/payed 01:22:59 <billf> I put it on the agenda to keep the pressure on :-) currently we are lapsed 501(c)3 01:23:04 <alpo> it's a long form, but my understanding is most does not apply to us 01:23:26 <alpo> and we can get help from the NC center for nonprifits (since trilug is a member) 01:23:29 <mhrivnak> Do we have prior filings of any kind to reference, like old 990s? 01:23:33 <IsharaComix> would probably be best for the past three treasurers to be in charge of that. 01:23:38 <IsharaComix> or something like that 01:23:40 <mhrivnak> I looked earlier on guidestar, and they don't have us listed. 01:23:56 <coxn> I think our last 990 would have been circa 2003 01:24:23 <coxn> when I came in mid-term in 2005 nobody had any clue we were a 501(c)(3) at any point 01:24:26 <jeremyhwllc> i filled out what I could on the application but was stumped by many of the questions 01:24:36 <IsharaComix> so what needs to be done is getting the form filled out? 01:25:00 <jeremyhwllc> yes but with professional advice I believe 01:25:09 <billf> probable need to get help from the center for non profits 01:25:15 <mhrivnak> Well, there will definitely need to be a meeting between the incoming and outgoing treasurers, which may be a good time to dig into the specifics of what documentation we currently have. 01:25:29 <billf> we pay a membership to the nc center for non profits for just the reason 01:25:32 <alpo> documentation is slim 01:25:33 <jeremyhwllc> they were not questions that I would want to answer incorrectly 01:25:57 <mhrivnak> wiki mentioned some activity happening in 2011 relevant to this. 01:26:00 <billf> it's ok, we don't have "tea party" in our name 01:26:03 <IsharaComix> lol 01:26:05 <justis> When we found out we were a 501c3 was after the lady who originally incorporated TriLUG contacted us to say that she had asked the IRS to cancel our tax exemption, because some attorney had scared her into thinking she was personally liable for an unknown sum of back taxes that didn't exist. 01:26:36 <mhrivnak> oh my. 01:27:09 <justis> This was after she had repeatedly attempted to contact our treasurer at the time, who was negligent of many things 01:27:16 <alpo> so we chatted about it at length, then had the members vote whether to re-do 501 or to leave it be 01:27:42 <alpo> it took about 9 months of chatting 01:27:45 <justis> IIRC, we voted to redo it and still haven't finished 01:27:46 <IsharaComix> blech 01:27:48 <mhrivnak> alpo, I recall that discussion. I take it the members voted in favor? 01:27:51 <justis> *lots* of chatting 01:28:07 <justis> at one point, I was the lone voice on the SC in favor of being 501c3 01:28:20 <billf> let's pospone until after the face to face meeting and decide on the new treasurer 01:28:32 <billf> we can talk about it then 01:28:34 <IsharaComix> no opposition here 01:28:36 <mhrivnak> Agreed. 01:28:51 <mhrivnak> If end up in that position, I'm happy to dig into it and come up with a recommendation. 01:29:02 <billf> mhrivnak: ++ 01:29:04 <mhrivnak> if *I* 01:29:14 <billf> #topic Finding Speakers 01:29:34 <billf> we need to fill that speaker pipeline 01:29:52 <IsharaComix> So when it comes to finding speakers, we've agreed that local talent is preferable to finding fancy speakers from elsewhere? 01:30:14 <billf> ideas should be added to the wiki here: https://steering.trilug.org/wiki/index.php/UpcomingMeetings 01:30:25 <justis> IsharaComix: That is certainly my stance. 01:30:53 <mhrivnak> We do have a tremendous number of locals who could potentially give great talks. 01:30:53 <billf> some rock star speakers are ok, but one or 2 a year. 01:31:05 <billf> we want to encourage local talent 01:31:07 <alpo> although i think if we find remote speakers, they spice it up a bit... we won't get a LOT of remote speakers 01:31:11 <justis> IsharaComix: I'd still like to see 2 or 3 imported celebrities each year, but the rest of the year should be local celebrities or rising talent from our local pool 01:31:16 <billf> and coach and mentor them 01:31:22 <justis> billf: exactly 01:31:40 <IsharaComix> last week we had the idea of using lightning talks to help incubate "real" talks. 01:31:51 <justis> yes 01:31:56 <billf> so, see anything interesting at BarCampRDU ? 01:32:14 <justis> I thought more about how to get higher quality talks at BarCamp and the idea I came up with would help with lighitning talks, too 01:32:16 <jeremyhwllc> pirates and balloons 01:32:22 <IsharaComix> lolz 01:32:34 * alpo thought the lightning talks was a nice way to end the day 01:32:46 <billf> coxn: emailed me and mark@github.com about a talk/panel on ssh tricks 01:32:47 <IsharaComix> i would be highly supportive of a proposal to add lightning talks to the end of Trilug sessions. 01:33:08 <justis> here's the idea: Don't pick a date for BarCamp (or lightning talks) until you have a critical mass of people talking about what they are going to present at the next BarCamp (or lightning talks) 01:33:24 <justis> IsharaComix: we would need to trim our current agenda to fit it; the meeting is already long 01:33:29 <billf> maybe, but we run out of time usually 01:33:48 <IsharaComix> it's still a good thought experiment. 01:33:52 <billf> unless we get a fast speaker who finish's at 8pm 01:33:59 <justis> so, we seed lightning talks by finding a few folks who have something they're excited about presenting 01:34:03 <mhrivnak> this may be a new agenda item, but perhaps we should discuss at some point if we're going to stick with the hard 9pm stop for meetings. 01:34:21 <justis> mhrivnak: interesting question 01:34:22 <IsharaComix> mhrivnak, hard stops aren't a big deal if our venue is NCSU 01:34:25 <alpo> that has to do with our hosts :-) 01:34:31 <mhrivnak> exactly. 01:34:57 <jeremyhwllc> during my talk it was brought to my attention Barcamp should be scheduled at the same time every year 01:35:12 <billf> so we need to wait and see how the format will change when we get into the new venue 01:36:57 <mhrivnak> So there are a ton of ideas on this wiki page, plus several others that have come out in IRC. Should we narrow our focus to try recruiting specific people/presentations for the next few months? 01:36:58 <billf> so let's close this out: please add speaker ideas to the wiki and discuss over email 01:37:22 <billf> fill july first... 01:37:30 <IsharaComix> all right 01:37:32 <justis> IsharaComix: are you prepping slides for your talk on badges? 01:37:47 <alpo> a protocol note 01:37:47 <justis> any feedback on my idea of building buzz about lightning talks before scheduling them? 01:37:50 <IsharaComix> Not at the moment. 01:38:06 <IsharaComix> justis, i think that's important. plant the seed in people's heads and coax them into speaking 01:38:15 <alpo> go ahead and try to book speakers if you have a lead... use the wiki page as the definitive calendar 01:38:16 <billf> justis: yes, give people time to prep a few slides before the meetin 01:38:17 <IsharaComix> sometimes folks just need a little push 01:38:53 <jeremyhwllc> they should have to come do a lightning talk to get their barcamp tshirt 01:38:55 <alpo> i want to avoid the situation where we all have to return to the hive before we can tell a speaker we're interested 01:39:02 <billf> we might seed it with a single 5min talk before the main speaker ? 01:39:30 <billf> we just need to find a sucker or two to launch it 01:39:54 <billf> alpo++ 01:40:32 <billf> next topic ... 01:40:45 <jeremyhwllc> proposed theme for a set of talks would be databases pros and cons 01:41:07 <IsharaComix> matthew frazier did a great Redis talk at FOSS Fair in 2012. 01:41:42 <justis> IsharaComix: yes, he did 01:41:49 <justis> IsharaComix: best talk at FOSSFair 2012 01:41:52 <justis> IMO 01:41:53 <IsharaComix> :) 01:42:13 <billf> #topic BarCampRDU 01:42:19 <IsharaComix> IT IS OVER! 01:42:25 <justis> WOOOOOO! 01:42:29 <justis> and successful 01:42:42 <jeremyhwllc> yay 01:42:44 <coxn> YAAAAY FOR BEING DONE :D 01:42:48 <mhrivnak> I'm glad to hear it wen well, and sorry I missed it. 01:42:59 <coxn> well, almost, in my case 01:43:06 <coxn> I'll pick up shirts tomorrow at lunch 01:43:07 <justis> mhrivnak: we're not talking to you :p 01:43:14 <mhrivnak> heh 01:43:15 <coxn> somebody should feel free to call me to remind me 01:43:19 <billf> I have put the attendee list in the truecrypt volume on pilot 01:43:31 <justis> billf: for claiming t-shirts? 01:43:58 <billf> justis: yes, I think that will help 01:44:09 <jeremyhwllc> i would like to secure a few that were not on the list 01:44:19 <billf> I suggest asking people to pick them up at TriLUG in June :-) 01:44:49 <jeremyhwllc> that would help with the june turn out 01:44:49 <coxn> I'll get a draft after I've got the shirts 01:44:59 <billf> jeremyhwllc: I think your family deserve them 01:45:06 <alpo> heck, i am still delivering girl scout cookies from the january meeting 01:45:34 <IsharaComix> :) 01:45:53 <jeremyhwllc> barcamprdu 2014 May 17th 01:46:24 <billf> so we need to work out who get's a t-shirt, and then use the attendee list to contact them 01:46:40 <justis> jeremyhwllc: I strongly hold the opposite opinion of what you were told in that meeting. We should not set the date before some key pieces are in place. 01:47:02 <justis> Further, mid-May is a terrible time to schedule it if we want help from NCSU students 01:47:09 <IsharaComix> trufax 01:47:12 <jeremyhwllc> I spoke with Mitch and it is a good time to use the same venue 01:47:35 <jeremyhwllc> that make s the venue available 01:47:47 * mhrivnak does a 180 en route to his calendar. 01:47:49 <IsharaComix> this is true 01:48:02 <IsharaComix> it's easier to get the campus when we aren't competing with students 01:48:06 <justis> IsharaComix: Would June or July generally work better? Maybe late October? 01:48:06 <billf> need to ensure it doesn not class with the other local barcamp events or foss faire 01:48:21 <alpo> or poss con 01:48:22 <billf> s/class/clash/ 01:48:22 <jeremyhwllc> the fossfair is mostly students 01:48:30 <IsharaComix> October is pretty close to THATCampRTP. 01:48:34 <IsharaComix> Also pycarolinas 01:48:37 <billf> june is maker faire, SELF, etc 01:48:38 <jeremyhwllc> historically barcamp is not many students 01:48:56 <jeremyhwllc> even during school session 01:49:48 <jeremyhwllc> Mitch said his department was looking for something like barcamp to do with the community and barcamp is a near perfect fit 01:50:14 <billf> that's good 01:50:27 <jeremyhwllc> during the school session the venue is highly subject to being bumperd 01:50:30 <jeremyhwllc> bumped 01:50:46 <IsharaComix> duke might be a cool place to hold barcamp 01:50:53 <jeremyhwllc> hmmm 01:51:00 <IsharaComix> especially in the smith warehouse 01:51:01 <justis> The first BarCamp was organized in a week: http://tantek.com/log/2006/07.html#d10t0805 01:51:06 <alpo> i can't believe you guys are talking about another one so soon after this weekend 01:51:07 <justis> it's an unconference 01:51:11 <justis> it's supposed to be as easy as a wiki 01:51:12 <IsharaComix> alpo, lol 01:51:16 <justis> we've made it too complicated 01:51:20 <alpo> (we did not have a wiki) 01:51:25 <justis> the next one needs to happen organically 01:51:26 <jeremyhwllc> all recommendations from my talk 01:51:32 <billf> we still need to wrap up this years event, do the books, close things down 01:51:39 <justis> from a group of people so excited to present stuff that they need rooms and a date 01:51:52 <alpo> yes, we need to tie off trilug's financial account from barcamp 01:51:59 <billf> it was a pity your talk wasn't at the end of the day 01:52:03 <jeremyhwllc> will do this week 01:52:41 <billf> now, we also need to shut own the forms subscription 01:53:01 <jeremyhwllc> one of the main problems with sponsors is they plan for the fiscal year, therefore it is important to project out a date 01:53:31 <jeremyhwllc> roger 01:53:52 <jeremyhwllc> and paypal 01:54:15 <billf> #action jeremyhwllc will end paid subscriptions for form processing and credit card payments 01:55:03 <billf> #action jeremyhwllc will close the barcamp website registration and other forms 01:55:05 <jeremyhwllc> no interest in having it for trilug sponsors I assume 01:55:18 <billf> do we need to do anything to the mailing lists ? 01:55:38 <billf> send out a thankyou to the ML ? 01:56:01 <jeremyhwllc> barcamp mailing lists? 01:56:18 <jeremyhwllc> I have been working on one all afternoon 01:57:30 <billf> is there anything else we need to do for BarCampRDU 2013 ? 01:58:01 <IsharaComix> photos 01:58:03 <jeremyhwllc> get reimbursed, most of the transactions were on a personal card 01:58:32 <jeremyhwllc> other than that no 01:58:53 <billf> alpo: what do you need from jeremyhwllc for reimbursement ? 01:59:04 <billf> just receipts ? 01:59:08 <alpo> yup 01:59:18 <alpo> we can write him a check 01:59:21 <jeremyhwllc> I will organize and provide reciepts 01:59:26 <alpo> (you can, you have the box and checkbook) 01:59:51 <jeremyhwllc> we can square up at June meeting 02:00:01 <billf> yep, I have the box. who is a signatory (not me) ? 02:00:16 <alpo> so far, just me 02:00:20 <billf> or May 30th at my place 02:00:26 <jeremyhwllc> yup 02:00:29 <alpo> we can add new ones at a coastal branch 02:00:36 <billf> #topic Face to Face meeting 02:00:49 <IsharaComix> we need some more signatories 02:01:02 <IsharaComix> probably should be done when we know who the next treasurer is 02:01:14 <billf> The Face to Face meeting/dinner is at my place on Thurs May 30th 02:01:31 <mhrivnak> It's also reasonable for the Chair to be a signatory. 02:01:31 <justis> yay! 02:01:35 <justis> billf++ 02:01:45 <billf> justis: your food preferences are no longer valid ? 02:01:45 <jeremyhwllc> I want to confirm trilug has no use for ability to accept credit cards online before I undo the formstack and paypal 02:01:51 <IsharaComix> mhrivnak, that's how we do it in NCSULUG. Chair + treasurer 02:02:01 <justis> billf: there's no accounting for taste ;) 02:02:08 <alpo> i know that bill hosts to make things easy for him, but we appreciate his hospitality too 02:02:11 <justis> billf: but I no longer need to avoid gluten 02:02:15 <justis> billf: thanks for asking 02:02:52 <billf> jeremyhwllc: we do not need online CC processing at this time, and we can't justify the monthly fee to keep it 02:03:03 <alpo> jeremyhwllc: we already have square, which has been pretty useful for normal LUG operations 02:03:12 <jeremyhwllc> roger 02:03:12 <justis> jeremyhwllc: how much is the monthly fee? 02:03:22 <jeremyhwllc> 5 per month for paypal 02:03:38 <justis> yeah, I don't think we'd use it often enough to pay for that 02:04:21 <jeremyhwllc> formstack has a fee too 02:04:35 <billf> what is coxn's dietry requirements ? 02:04:44 <coxn> vegetarian 02:04:50 <coxn> also I cannot do lactose 02:05:08 <jeremyhwllc> we had a vegan meal specially made and no one claimed it 02:05:19 <billf> coxn: man, you should just join the vegan crowd 02:05:20 <coxn> jeremyhwllc: where was it? I looked 02:05:44 <coxn> I had a lunch of cookies :/ 02:06:06 <jeremyhwllc> it was off to the side with vegan written on it 02:06:22 <billf> #topic General Business 02:06:28 <coxn> so it wasn't on the food table, then 02:06:29 <coxn> okay 02:06:37 <billf> is there anything anyone wants to bring up ? 02:06:54 <coxn> I have to go deal with a dead machine 02:07:00 <coxn> thanks all 02:07:07 <jeremyhwllc> i want to be sure we do all we can for a good turn out for Cathy Davidson 02:07:55 <jeremyhwllc> we need a venue too 02:07:58 <justis> coxn: have a great night! 02:08:03 <jeremyhwllc> adios 02:08:19 <justis> jeremyhwllc: IsharaComix will get us a room in EBII, probably 1231 02:08:40 <justis> jeremyhwllc: He's going to try tomorrow morning, but technically isn't supposed to be able until May 27 02:08:42 <jeremyhwllc> that is a good place 02:08:46 <billf> we need to publicize the June meeting 02:08:54 <IsharaComix> we probably won't get 1231. It'll likely be eb1 1007. 02:08:55 <alpo> 1231++ 02:08:55 <justis> billf: definitely 02:09:02 <justis> IsharaComix: why not? 02:09:11 <jeremyhwllc> mitch said just send him an email 02:09:23 <IsharaComix> every time I've asked for it, R&R is all "have eb1 1007 instead". 02:09:26 <justis> maybe Mitch can get us 1231 02:09:38 <justis> IsharaComix: how many does it seat? 02:09:52 <jeremyhwllc> he said all he needs is an email with the details 02:09:54 <billf> we need a graphic for the june page on the website 02:10:17 <jeremyhwllc> Cathy Davidson has a media kit 02:10:23 <justis> jeremyhwllc: perfect 02:10:27 <billf> and we need to spread the word... 02:10:38 <jeremyhwllc> 1231 hold about 200 02:10:45 <IsharaComix> 1007 seats either 90 or 110. 02:11:09 <IsharaComix> jeremyhwllc, i'm having a hard time believing that. there's a chart somewhere. 02:11:23 <billf> the drupal story page needs to follow the standard meeting style 02:11:48 <jeremyhwllc> no chart but I counted them 02:12:23 <IsharaComix> http://www.ncsu.edu/registrar/scheduling/pdf/roomlist.pdf 02:12:28 <billf> fix the topic, fix the URL, add a graphics, link to her media kit 02:12:31 <IsharaComix> this is the list of all rooms on campus with capacity etc 02:13:16 <IsharaComix> eb2 1231 has 162 seats it says 02:13:17 <jeremyhwllc> 162 02:13:22 <IsharaComix> eb1 1007 has 92 02:13:31 <jeremyhwllc> I counted rows 02:13:38 <jeremyhwllc> and estimated 02:13:56 <jeremyhwllc> based on the last row 02:14:09 <IsharaComix> lol. according to this chart, no food is allowed in eb classrooms 02:14:10 <IsharaComix> WHOOPS 02:15:55 <jeremyhwllc> http://www.cathydavidson.com/media-kit 02:15:58 <justis> IsharaComix: ACM/AITP has pizza in 1231 all the time 02:16:07 <IsharaComix> i know right 02:16:38 <IsharaComix> acm/aitp and wics think the rules don't apply to them. They get too much special treatment compared to other student groups 02:16:41 <billf> who else would be interested in this topic ? 02:16:59 <billf> which other groups ?h 02:17:04 <jeremyhwllc> I have not figured out how to add media to drupal. Drupal fails to make obvious. I am spoiled by wordpress 02:17:13 <IsharaComix> wordpress++ 02:17:33 <alpo> jeremy and I mocked up an initial stab at a wordpress replacement 02:17:35 <jeremyhwllc> we have a wordpress site up and running just need to dress it up 02:17:44 <jeremyhwllc> after barcamp 02:18:05 <IsharaComix> i'll contact CHASS and CED and tell them about cathy coming to state 02:18:16 <jeremyhwllc> awesome 02:18:25 <billf> please cc sc ml when you do 02:18:38 <IsharaComix> sure thing 02:18:54 <IsharaComix> though i was prolly going to do it in person 02:18:57 <billf> jeremyhwllc: are you really wanting people to register for june ? 02:18:59 <IsharaComix> with some people I know 02:19:05 <jeremyhwllc> billf: do you want the RSVP gone 02:19:33 <billf> we haven't done it in the past, so why now ? it might turn people off 02:19:41 <IsharaComix> yeah 02:19:43 <justis> IsharaComix: how do we get NCSU folks out in numbers to the June 13 meeting? 02:19:52 <billf> others here have more experience in these matters 02:19:59 <justis> billf: SplatSpace has at least 5 members who will be really excited about this topic 02:20:08 <IsharaComix> justis, what do you mean? 02:20:27 <justis> IsharaComix: Of all the TriLUG presos over the past couple years, this is the one most likely to draw academics 02:20:29 <IsharaComix> cathy is big with humanities phd students, so CHASS will definitely get some people 02:20:42 <justis> IsharaComix: what is CHASS? 02:20:51 <IsharaComix> sorry: COllege of Humanities and Social Sciences 02:20:56 <justis> IsharaComix: Can you twist Dr. Barnes' arm into attending? 02:21:04 <IsharaComix> I'll try. ;0 02:21:12 <IsharaComix> s/0/) 02:21:37 <justis> I've never seen someone sed an emoticon before 02:21:57 <IsharaComix> i am vehemently anti-typo 02:22:02 <justis> me, too 02:22:05 <justis> but it was still a first 02:22:06 <billf> what might work, is an (optional) email list for people who want to attend and want to be be reminded or kept up to date on the location, etc 02:22:12 * justis is entertained 02:22:16 <IsharaComix> i'm confused 02:22:24 <IsharaComix> where did we start discussing rsvps? 02:22:39 <billf> so if you have a sign up form, it must require an email address 02:22:46 <jeremyhwllc> or a note the RSVP is optional but helpful 02:22:55 <jeremyhwllc> why 02:23:31 <jeremyhwllc> FOSS Fair used a wiki for signup and there were no emails 02:23:53 <justis> IMO, RSVP would be valuable if it's purely optional and allows people to demonstrate to others that they're coming 02:24:07 <mhrivnak> Many groups use meetup.com for that purpose. 02:24:07 <justis> i.e. you visit the TriLUG meeting page and see that 10 of your friends are going to be there 02:24:07 <IsharaComix> RSVP also helps organizers estimate pizza. 02:24:07 <billf> what do you do if the venue changes ? how to do you contact people who are not on the trilug mailing list ? 02:24:10 <justis> so maybe you should, too 02:24:42 <jeremyhwllc> just cant publish emails 02:24:47 <jeremyhwllc> shouldnt 02:25:19 <IsharaComix> people aren't going to want to sign up for meetup to attend these things. eventbrite is an option. 02:25:20 <billf> so do not make the attendee list public 02:25:30 <jeremyhwllc> ok 02:25:33 <billf> meetup costs money 02:25:35 <IsharaComix> billf, that breaks what justis just mentioned tho 02:25:48 <justis> if there's no public attendee list, I don't see much point in optional RSVPs 02:25:52 <IsharaComix> how about doodle? 02:26:11 <IsharaComix> simple, no email necessary 02:26:16 <jeremyhwllc> doodle serves a different purpose 02:26:19 <mhrivnak> google+ events might be an option. 02:26:20 <billf> we are talking about a single meeting - june - which is difficult because it's a new venue, and non trilug people will ewant to attend 02:26:25 <IsharaComix> subvert the purpose! 02:26:32 <IsharaComix> Ah, I see. 02:26:48 <IsharaComix> June is going to be a weird meeting. Strange topic, new venue. 02:26:58 <billf> IsharaComix++ 02:27:01 <IsharaComix> Doodle is probably still the lowest barrier to entry 02:27:21 <justis> http://www.eventbrite.com/l/free-events 02:27:24 <jeremyhwllc> a google form is extremely frictionless 02:27:29 <IsharaComix> google forms too 02:27:47 <jeremyhwllc> asking for an email adds friction 02:27:52 <justis> IsharaComix: I have only used Doodle to pick a time for a meeting in a small group of people. How does it help track RSVPs for a massive meeting where the time is already chosen? 02:28:07 <justis> I think that eventbrite has solved most of these problems already 02:28:14 <IsharaComix> eventbrite > doodle. 02:28:17 <IsharaComix> didn't know it was free 02:28:20 <IsharaComix> (for free events) 02:28:22 <jeremyhwllc> we can just add a note if they want to recieve updates to join the general mailing list 02:28:24 <billf> so how to do you remind people 2 days out from the meeting ? 02:28:30 <IsharaComix> eventbrite does that for you 02:28:47 <justis> yeah, eventbrite is worth a try here 02:28:57 <billf> eventright++ 02:29:03 <IsharaComix> also if people sign in with facebook, they'll publish it to their friends for us 02:29:09 <billf> eventbrite++ :-) 02:29:09 <justis> :) 02:29:10 <IsharaComix> IT IS THE SOCIAL 02:29:31 <billf> who wants to set up eventbrite for june ? 02:29:35 <IsharaComix> I'll do it 02:29:39 <jeremyhwllc> do people generally accept eventbright 02:29:48 <justis> I'm hoping IsharaComix ends up as our PR officer, anyhow 02:29:49 <IsharaComix> we won't know unless we try. 02:29:55 <justis> glad to see he's already doing it :) 02:30:20 <billf> #action IsharaComix will setup Eventbrite for the June meeting (one off, special case) 02:30:25 <jeremyhwllc> I will delete the RSVP links 02:30:34 <justis> @IsharaComix++ 02:30:51 <justis> jeremyhwllc: thanks :) 02:31:38 <justis> we good? 02:31:42 <jeremyhwllc> done 02:31:42 <justis> anything else for tonight? 02:31:50 <jeremyhwllc> wow it is 1030 02:31:54 <IsharaComix> ugh. This website is so ugly 02:32:35 <jeremyhwllc> got a better one on the way 02:32:41 <IsharaComix> :) 02:33:00 <jeremyhwllc> goodnight all! 02:33:07 <billf> last call for items.... 02:33:13 <mhrivnak> quick question- do we have a general policy or established procedure about keeping pilot up to date? 02:33:31 <billf> when coxn feels like it 02:33:32 <justis> IsharaComix: http://web.archive.org/web/19991129010202/http://trilug.org/ 02:33:36 <alpo> we generally update all packages that don't need a reboot as they come in 02:33:48 <IsharaComix> i mean the eventbrite website is ugly 02:34:30 <billf> #endmeeting