17:30:34 #startmeeting 17:30:36 Meeting started Mon Dec 2 17:30:34 2013 UTC. The chair is billf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:30:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:30:47 #chair coxn mhrivnak billf IsharaComix justis 17:30:48 Current chairs: IsharaComix billf coxn justis mhrivnak 17:30:56 #topic Meeting 12 December x-mas party 17:31:27 let's talk about promotion ... 17:32:04 how many people usually come to this? 17:32:22 last year we have 30 - 40 people I think 17:32:30 cool. I'll try to recruit some demos. 17:32:35 30-40 sounds right 17:33:27 we have 9 people signed up so far. 17:34:00 I need someone to copy the demos from the response spreadsheet into the drupal page 17:34:26 make it look pretty - some have provide urls or graphics 17:34:51 I need some text for this: http://www.meetup.com/splatspace/events/149113952/ 17:34:58 and then we should push for more sign-ups for food, etc 17:35:00 then, we can cross-promote via their meetup 17:35:00 FYI: looks like "vegetarian" is misspelled on the form. 17:35:35 justis: can you link back to the trilug weboage ? 17:35:43 yes 17:36:06 I promoted it on the Durham Lug meetup last week 17:36:08 I made that page a month ago, before we had a page on trilug.org 17:36:35 so now we have two meetup pages :-) 17:36:53 volunteer to do the drupal page edits - please ? 17:36:55 should I just copy http://trilug.org/2013-12-12/demo verbatim? 17:37:38 justis: that was the best I could come up with at the time, and nobody edited it :-( 17:37:45 ok 17:38:03 I suck at making things look nice. perhaps IsharaComix, our PR person, can take care of it? 17:38:18 IsharaComix: what say you ? 17:38:54 #action IsharaComix will update the Dec Drupal page with the current demos from the sign up form 17:38:59 Catering !! 17:38:59 Sure, I can. 17:39:17 Drupal editing makes me ;_; though. :) 17:39:42 coxn: can you org the catering again this year ? we will have a budget by next Monday 17:40:30 coxn, feel free to bring me in when it's time to pay for it. 17:40:32 I can place the order, sure 17:40:38 mhrivnak: appreciated 17:40:55 anything else on this topic for today ? 17:41:13 #topic Meeting 9 January & 13 February 17:41:26 we need a speaker or two :-) 17:41:45 do we have any irons in the fire? 17:41:58 there was no action item for me 17:42:11 #action billf to get a catering order to coxn 17:42:20 #action coxn to place catering order 17:42:31 I'm going to be tied up with a new baby, so I am asking now for someone to take on my responsabilities ... 17:42:37 I haven't heard back from the percona guy 17:42:44 about a 5.6 talk 17:42:48 not sure what's up 17:43:11 billf, so we need an emcee, and someone to film it? 17:44:16 I could be avail, or not on the night. I probably won't have the brainspace to org IRC meeting etc 17:44:55 I'm going to ask on IRC and mailing list for speakers 17:45:14 I'm happy to emcee if nobody else would like to. 17:45:31 #action billf will put out a call for speakers for 2014 on the ML and IRC 17:45:31 #topic 501(c)3 Application 17:45:32 and I suggest we try to find someone not on the SC to do the webcam work. 17:45:38 doodle poll results ? 17:45:56 mon 12/9 at 7:30 works for everyone. 17:46:03 sunday afternoon 12/15 works too 17:46:18 #action billf will ask for a volunteer to video Jan and Feb 17:46:24 can we do 12/15 instead? 17:46:32 Sunday would be more convenient. 17:46:39 let's do that 17:46:56 2, 5, and 7pm were all green. or we can go somewhere in between. 17:47:57 mhrivnak: pick your favorite and send an invite? 17:48:22 #action mhrivnak will send an invite for Dec 15th F2F meeting 17:48:37 #topic Sunguard and Linode replacement 17:48:52 coxn: want to give us a status ? 17:49:23 coxn and jack have been working over the weekend on this 17:50:43 Have we gotten any response from Peak10? 17:50:49 nivex just sent an email to the SC, Sunguard wants action 17:51:06 back 17:51:11 we have a VM 17:51:15 nothing from Peak10, but give them a few days to process it 17:51:15 it has apache2 up 17:51:19 and it has mysql 17:51:30 and we're working on loading a dump from pilot 17:51:35 and getting a drupal install that works 17:51:46 if others want to help, we should meet in person and have keys set up 17:52:03 alternatively you can spin up your own VM somewhere and migrate some portion of what's on pilot 17:52:04 so if Sunguard shuts us off today ? 17:52:08 and we just coordinate 17:52:16 we have backups 17:52:22 and we'd have an outage but we could get back up 17:52:57 should we build a vm with the pilot backup to get web and mailing lists running ? 17:53:04 that's what we're doing 17:53:26 I thought you were re-building new services 17:53:34 what I'm saying is that if somebody wants to bite off a subset of pilot's roles and put *that* on a separate VM I'd be interested in hearing from people 17:53:51 I have no idea what you mean by that 17:54:16 I understood the task to be stand up the drupal instance and mailman on a new node 17:54:31 and I started working on that with Jack, and we tried to do it as "right" as possible 17:54:43 so that we would not have huge headaches untangling things later 17:55:07 @coxn++ 17:55:12 ldap is still broken, but we've been working on things in parallel 17:55:33 so right now we have various things in-progress 17:56:19 and if people are uncomfortable with the pace of our progress, then I suggest people stand up other VMs and we put some portion of what's on pilot on that 17:56:29 otherwise we'll keep updating in #trilug-sys 17:56:50 I'm very happy wit the pace of progress and regret that I cannot help. 17:57:25 if people need my help standing up a VM, then I suggest we meet in person 17:57:31 and people can reach out to me about meeting up 17:58:00 I estimate I've spent about 16 hours on this so far 17:58:08 wowzas 17:58:38 yeah. the 2.3 -> 2.4 openldap is a mistake 17:58:43 :( 17:58:43 and we'll be replacing that 17:59:02 but anyway... what else do people want to know? 17:59:17 should we talk about how we want to engage Sungard? 17:59:59 re what else people want to know, we should probably keep a list of what hasn't been moved 18:00:06 we might have pull hardware out today or tomorrow 18:00:44 Kevin can probably buy us some time, maybe a week or two, if we tell him what to ask for 18:01:21 our Sungard contact probably just needs to tell his team something final, e.g. "they'll be out by Dec 10" 18:01:25 Kevin is going to run delaying tactics, but they seem pretty insistant, and we want our hardware, right ? 18:01:35 yes, we want our hardware 18:01:55 are you thinking we should go retrieve it while we still have access and they think we might sign a contract? 18:02:15 yes, before they lock us out for good 18:02:21 hrm 18:02:33 kevin is unemployed and is willing to go retrieve it 18:02:39 do they have any legal grounds to keep our hardware? 18:02:44 well then somebody should be on a separate track of finding a place to put it 18:02:51 he might be able to stand it up at his home for a week or so 18:02:53 not me: I'm focusing on standing up VMs 18:03:01 coxn: good choice 18:03:09 should we pull the hardware today ? 18:03:12 then lower the TTLs on pilot and related now 18:03:26 TTLs are 2 hours 18:03:29 billf: if Kevin wants to run it from his house, that technically buys us time 18:04:00 billf: yeah, and that should be lowered to 5min now if it's going to change 18:04:13 coxn: good idea 18:04:30 for how long has Kevin been unemployed? 18:04:36 no idea 18:04:41 a few months 18:04:45 bandwidth.com is hiring and he'd be a good fit there, imo 18:04:53 you should talk to him 18:04:55 ok 18:04:57 but... later. :) 18:05:14 Are we OK with an outage if we pull the hardware today ? 18:05:19 okay... anything else on infrastructure changes? 18:05:25 I certainly am 18:05:32 anything < 4 hrs is not a major issue 18:05:33 I'm fine with an outage 18:05:48 because SMTP is magic 18:05:49 :) 18:05:50 I will send an email to the ML now to warn them 18:05:51 anyone who isn't fine with an outage should have volunteered for our systems team by now :p 18:06:06 billf: hold off a sec... we haven't confirmed Kevin can host at home 18:06:12 billf: or did you already confirm that? 18:06:35 no, we have no confirmation of hosting it 18:07:27 I'm asking in #trilug-sys 18:07:28 this could be a major outage ! 18:08:03 13:06:51 < Nivex> *if* I can arrange the public IP space, which has not yet been confirmed 18:08:11 13:07:39 < Nivex> query has been vollied, waiting for answer 18:08:29 ok, so what do we do now ? 18:08:43 is there another place that can host that somebody can call this afternoon (ie. in the next couple of hours?) 18:08:47 pull hardware as soon as the public IP space is granted ? 18:08:54 I'm gonna call Craig Isdahl at DASH Systems 18:09:09 announce as soon as a place to put the hardware is confirmed and Kevin has confirmed a time to move the hardware 18:09:13 I can host servers, but I don't have any spare public IP 18:09:15 @justis++ 18:10:10 Hmm, maybe kevin was talking about hosting DNS and a "page is down" webpage 18:10:32 again, I think additional VMs are an option 18:10:45 they cost US$, but relatively little time/energy 18:10:54 and it's $20/month/vm 18:11:15 and this is a big hairy mess of discussion 18:11:25 what about alan's suggestion of just dumping the backup into a vm on linos ? 18:11:56 linod ? 18:12:02 linode 18:12:03 linode ? 18:12:13 I don't really know what is meant by that idea 18:12:23 I will ping alan about it 18:12:38 but based on one guess, I'd estimate about 4 hours to get some subset of services working 18:12:49 and then you'd have a hairy mess to migrate off of later 18:13:02 so who knows how many hours that'd be 18:13:23 but if that stresses people out less, then I can stand up another VM and somebody can have a crack at that 18:14:11 again, people can reach out to me to stand up additional VMs and we can meet up 18:14:20 okay we're hitting our time limit 18:14:25 we have 3U worth of stuff, right? 18:14:28 and I need to get walking to another meeting 18:14:30 justis: correct 18:14:32 yeah, I will ping alpo 18:14:33 thx 18:14:41 justis: well... 4U if you include our switch 18:14:42 ok, more via email later today 18:14:54 I got no answer from DASH, I'll email 18:15:04 thanks justis 18:15:22 I'm asking him for temporary space, to simplify our transition 18:15:26 how long do we need? 18:16:21 justis: I don't know, a few weeks ? 18:16:31 that's what I was thinking 18:17:32 justis: maybe say 20 days to be sure? 18:17:46 okay I have to run. y'all can keep going or close this out 18:17:51 but I'm stepping away 18:17:58 ciao! thanks! 18:18:12 bye 18:18:16 #endmeeting