[TriLUG] hacking vs. using

[ALFRED JOHNSON]

Thanks for supplying the URLs for me, Neil. I didn't have time to look 
all this stuff up. I see you got home safely from the Tri-lug meeting. 
73, Al Johnson.

On Oct 16, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Neil L. Little wrote:

> Instead of having to buy a book you can find all of this at:
> http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html
>
> That would be /part 97/ for Amateur Radio:
> http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr97_03.html
>
> For other devices such as 802.11 wireless that would be /part 15/:
> http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr15_03.html
>
> 73,
> Neil Little, WA4AZL    JARS Forever!
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Alfred Johnson wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:11:20 -0400
>> From: ALFRED JOHNSON <alfjon at mindspring.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] hacking vs. using
>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
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>> There is a part of the FCC regulations which specifically cover what 
>> hams are allowed to do and likewise what they cannot do while using 
>> the frequencies which they are legally licensed to use. To make the 
>> answer to your question very simply, unless it is inadvertent we are 
>> prohibited from intentionally interfering with any other licensed 
>> operators. This is not to say that from time to time ham radio 
>> operators don't inadvertently interfere with one another. But the 
>> simple answer to your question is that I suspect that if a ham did 
>> what you suggested and PURPOSELY  interfered with any legal 802.11 
>> users that he would risk getting reported by the "ham police" whom we 
>> call "OO's" (official observers who report violations which they hear 
>> on the ham frequencies). If you're interested in reading about these 
>> rules and regulations governing amateur radio all you need to do is 
>> to purchase a small book which has all the part 97 rules and 
>> regulations from the American Radio Relay League (they also have a 
>> website where you can read about these regulations). Keep in mind 
>> that these regulations are not cast in stone. From time to time the 
>> FCC will make modifications and clarifications in any of these rules 
>> as it sees fit. So if it isn't illegal now to do what you suggest, it 
>> could very well be changed. --73, KQ4FP--  Al Johnson
>> ---------------------
>> On Oct 15, 2004, at 8:23 PM, Greg Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Today I started to think about hacking 802.11 signals (this all 
>>>> came up during a discussion of a 802.11 design in a joking manner). 
>>>>  Anyway, I was told "do not hack this network" buy the project 
>>>> manager to which I responded "it's a public use frequency, I can do 
>>>> what I want".  Obviously I was joking, because I am aware of laws 
>>>> against hacking 802.11 specifically, but then I got to thinking 
>>>> about the nature of public frequencies.  Does anyone, especially 
>>>> any of the HAM crew, know about laws that state what you can, and 
>>>> cannot, do on these frequencies?
>>>>
>>>> I believe that HAM users have priority over 802.11 users in the 2.4 
>>>> Ghz range.  Therefore, I think, that a HAM radio operator could use 
>>>> the signal in manner which could effectively cause a denial of 
>>>> service attack for the 802.11 users (which there are laws against). 
>>>>  Can anyone site a webpage with the laws about what, and cannot, be 
>>>> done on these frequencies?
>>>>
>>>> At the very least it seems like the laws conflict each other.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
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