[TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel

Greg Brown gwbrown1 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 2 11:09:38 EDT 2006


What ever happened to my Digital Unix box running on 64 bit Alpha chips?
And that was 1995 or 1996.  One would think we would be further down the 64
bit path by this point.

On 8/2/06, OlsonE at aosa.army.mil <OlsonE at aosa.army.mil> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Same issues here with x64 as well. What a shame. I'll be content once
> x64 Linux is a little more mainstream (and less buggy).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:38 PM
> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
>
> yes, really.  not that anyone cares to discuss winders in this group;
> however, symantec antivirus corporate edition as well as winder's own
> WSUS puke hard with 64 bit Windows 2003 Server.
>
> from a server point of view, that's a show stopper and very specific.
> WinXP64 is not a server OS.  i'll defer judgement on 64 bit desktops to
> others since the majority of my customers have 32 bit hardware and don't
> care.
>
> all the best for a happy and safe move to NY just the same, though.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Ray, President
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>
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>
> Matthew Lavigne wrote:
> > Really?  I have only seen that basically anything that runs as a
> > service looks for 64 bit and then dies (namely Antivirus).  In my old
> > shop (yes, it is not mine anymore) we installed and ran everything as
> > 32 bit with the exception of antivirus.  In the course of 24 months we
>
> > have never had a conflict where an application acted badly other then
> > trying to install again a 32 bit antivirus on WinXP64.
> >
> > A little more qualification would be nice rather then generalizations,
>
> > especially if you have some known bad applications.
> >
> > Personally I have found very little that would force me to 64 bit
> > Windows though the workstation that I have (along with the 6GB of
> > system memory) would drive me to.  It is not difficult to use the /PAE
>
> > switch or several others to push the memory limits around (especially
> > if you have Xeon CPUs).
> >
> > This box isn't linux yet cause there is too much that I need to
> > convert to a vmware image before I move it over...
> >
> > Matthew Lavigne
> > Preparing to move to NY....
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net>:
> >
> >> Winders has 64 bit versions.  I don't use them because too many apps
> >> are broken.
> >>
> >> Jim Ray, President
> >> Neuse River Networks
> >>
> >> tel: 919-838-1672
> >> http://www.Neuse.Net
> >>
> >> Connecting You to the World since 1997
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
> >>> [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf Of Greg Brown
> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:10 AM
> >>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> >>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
> >>>
> >>> You bring up an interesting point.  My neighbor just purchased a new
>
> >>> laptop
> >>> that has a 64 bit processor.   Can XPee Home even take
> >>> advantage of a 64 bit
> >>> processor?
> >>>
> >>> She's already fed up with the anti-virus she is using and has
> >>> already asked about Linux (after hearing me yap about it for years
> >>> now).  Hopefully she'll pull the trigger and I can intall Ubuntu as
> >>> a social expirement.  I'd really like to see how well a seriously
> >>> non-techincal person manages with Ubuntu.
> >>>
> >>> On 7/28/06, Kevin Flanagan <kevin at flanagannc.net> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > That would have to fall in the "that depends" category.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > What would you be doing with the system, for a laptop, I
> >>> see that HP
> >>> > now has a Turion 64Bit laptop, interesting if you could
> >>> take advantage
> >>> > of the processor.
> >>> >
> >>> > If you are using much CPU to Memory transfer intensive
> >>> applications,
> >>> > then AMD has the edge, otherwise I don't think that it
> >>> matters as much.
> >>> >
> >>> > What about the other stuff, that says more in many cases.
> >>> >
> >>> > What disks are available, SATA, or PATA, or SCSI?
> >>> > What Video subsystem suits your needs best?
> >>> > How much RAM can you get for the system in question?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > As usual, there's a lot more to the "best" answer,
> >>> generally I think
> >>> > that if you get a top tier system now it's likely enough for 95%
> >>> > or more of folks, unless you're just that kind of geek who
> >>> needs to spec
> >>> > out every last detail.
> >>> >
> >>> > Then there's cost.....
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Kevin
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Greg Brown wrote:
> >>> > > It was not long ago at all, just last year, that the prevailing
> >>> > > opinion of those on Trilug seemed to be that AMD was
> >>> leading the way
> >>> > > for chip
> >>> > design
> >>> > > for the foreseeable future.  With Intel's latest announcements,
> >>> > > along with the Core Duo, I was wondering what the
> >>> consensus opinion
> >>> > > was these days.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If you were going to build a linux desktop or laptop what
> >>> processor
> >>> > would
> >>> > > you pick?  Intel, AMD, or something else?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 3.... 2..... 1..... FIGHT!!
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