[TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel

Wed Aug 2 08:32:01 EDT 2006

Jim, 

Same issues here with x64 as well. What a shame. I'll be content once
x64 Linux is a little more mainstream (and less buggy). 

-----Original Message-----
From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Ray
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:38 PM
To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel

yes, really.  not that anyone cares to discuss winders in this group;
however, symantec antivirus corporate edition as well as winder's own
WSUS puke hard with 64 bit Windows 2003 Server.

from a server point of view, that's a show stopper and very specific. 
WinXP64 is not a server OS.  i'll defer judgement on 64 bit desktops to
others since the majority of my customers have 32 bit hardware and don't
care.

all the best for a happy and safe move to NY just the same, though.

Regards,

Jim

Jim Ray, President
Neuse River Networks
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Connecting You to the World since 1997

Matthew Lavigne wrote:
> Really?  I have only seen that basically anything that runs as a 
> service looks for 64 bit and then dies (namely Antivirus).  In my old 
> shop (yes, it is not mine anymore) we installed and ran everything as 
> 32 bit with the exception of antivirus.  In the course of 24 months we

> have never had a conflict where an application acted badly other then 
> trying to install again a 32 bit antivirus on WinXP64.
> 
> A little more qualification would be nice rather then generalizations,

> especially if you have some known bad applications.
> 
> Personally I have found very little that would force me to 64 bit 
> Windows though the workstation that I have (along with the 6GB of 
> system memory) would drive me to.  It is not difficult to use the /PAE

> switch or several others to push the memory limits around (especially 
> if you have Xeon CPUs).
> 
> This box isn't linux yet cause there is too much that I need to 
> convert to a vmware image before I move it over...
> 
> Matthew Lavigne
> Preparing to move to NY....
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net>:
> 
>> Winders has 64 bit versions.  I don't use them because too many apps 
>> are broken.
>>
>> Jim Ray, President
>> Neuse River Networks
>>
>> tel: 919-838-1672
>> http://www.Neuse.Net
>>
>> Connecting You to the World since 1997
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
>>> [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf Of Greg Brown
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:10 AM
>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
>>>
>>> You bring up an interesting point.  My neighbor just purchased a new

>>> laptop
>>> that has a 64 bit processor.   Can XPee Home even take
>>> advantage of a 64 bit
>>> processor?
>>>
>>> She's already fed up with the anti-virus she is using and has 
>>> already asked about Linux (after hearing me yap about it for years 
>>> now).  Hopefully she'll pull the trigger and I can intall Ubuntu as 
>>> a social expirement.  I'd really like to see how well a seriously 
>>> non-techincal person manages with Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> On 7/28/06, Kevin Flanagan <kevin at flanagannc.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > That would have to fall in the "that depends" category.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What would you be doing with the system, for a laptop, I
>>> see that HP
>>> > now has a Turion 64Bit laptop, interesting if you could
>>> take advantage
>>> > of the processor.
>>> >
>>> > If you are using much CPU to Memory transfer intensive
>>> applications,
>>> > then AMD has the edge, otherwise I don't think that it
>>> matters as much.
>>> >
>>> > What about the other stuff, that says more in many cases.
>>> >
>>> > What disks are available, SATA, or PATA, or SCSI?
>>> > What Video subsystem suits your needs best?
>>> > How much RAM can you get for the system in question?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > As usual, there's a lot more to the "best" answer,
>>> generally I think
>>> > that if you get a top tier system now it's likely enough for 95% 
>>> > or more of folks, unless you're just that kind of geek who
>>> needs to spec
>>> > out every last detail.
>>> >
>>> > Then there's cost.....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Kevin
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Greg Brown wrote:
>>> > > It was not long ago at all, just last year, that the prevailing 
>>> > > opinion of those on Trilug seemed to be that AMD was
>>> leading the way
>>> > > for chip
>>> > design
>>> > > for the foreseeable future.  With Intel's latest announcements, 
>>> > > along with the Core Duo, I was wondering what the
>>> consensus opinion
>>> > > was these days.
>>> > >
>>> > > If you were going to build a linux desktop or laptop what
>>> processor
>>> > would
>>> > > you pick?  Intel, AMD, or something else?
>>> > >
>>> > > 3.... 2..... 1..... FIGHT!!
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