[TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company

Jim Ray jim at neuse.net
Fri Jan 8 10:32:01 EST 2010 

This past year, I was at the client site of our largest customer and
found dog doo in the conference room where we work (he lets his little
cigar dog come to work). I cleaned it up. Took a minute. Did not change
my production rate at all.

It is truly the first time I have ever entered a service ticket for dog
doo.

Customers pay to get the job done regardless of how sh!tty the job.


-----Original Message-----
From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Lambdin
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:19 AM
To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company

How much does spider or centipede infestation affect the rate?  Or
unidentified mammal scat?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:

> Dude...even 1/3 of 156 hrs is *much* greater than your 3 hour
> estimate!!!
>
> Good luck. I'm just telling you the way it is. You are way off. I did
> not say we could not be friends; I'm just saying your estimate is not
> accurate.
>
> Here to help,
>
> Jim BOFH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:35 AM
> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>
> ...which is exactly was I was asking for in the beginning - just run
the
> cables.  Perhaps I was not clear enough even though I mentioned no
> walls, no ceilings, just run cables...
>
>
> -Ron
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Dave Hostetler wrote:
>
> > If you just wanted the wire "stubbed out" meaning that the ends
would
> be hanging unterminated from the ceiling and out of the box in the
wall,
> I would guess you could take about one third of Jim's time.  Most of
the
> time will be spent in terminating the wires and punching down a patch
> panel.  If you're willing to do the work yourself, you will not save
> time, but you may save some money.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
> >
> >> Yes. Do not pull too hard :-)
> >>
> >> Cat6 1/4" tolerances take a little longer than Cat5 1/2"
tolerances.
> >>
> >> High ceilings and jump discontinuities require more time.
> >>
> >> For example, we did a 100,000 sq ft manufacturing plant that was 50
> years old and had sections added over years. You may spend 4 hr on 1
> drop in such an environment.
> >>
> >> However, the stated production rate holds true for jobs we have
done
> in Class A high rise office buildings with drop in ceilings.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
On
> Behalf Of James Jones
> >> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:25 AM
> >> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
> >>
> >> Do you have  a rule of thumb for just pulling wire?
> >>
> >> jcj
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
> >>> Includes termination at both ends, cable hangers and patch panel.
> >>> Estimate would require adding setup time for small jobs and
applies
> >>> whether you use vi or emacs.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jim Ray, President
> >>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
> >>>
> >>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
http://twitter.com/neuse
> >>>
> >>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
> email
> >>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
> >>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
> On
> >>> Behalf Of James Jones
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:29 AM
> >>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
> >>>
> >>> Jim,
> >>>
> >>> Does that estimation include or exclude termination at each end?
> >>>
> >>> jcj
> >>>
> >>> On 1/7/10, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
> >>>> We do managed services and may pull cables for our clients yet
> aren't
> >>>> really looking for that work. I was trying to help you manage
your
> >>>> expectations. The production rate of 1.3 hr per wire holds true
in
> >>>> environments with drop in ceilings that are low enough where a
lift
> >>> is
> >>>> not required. So, 30 drops * 4 wires per drop * 1.3 hr per wire
> >>> yields
> >>>> 156 hours.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I'm calling BS on your 3 hour estimate and hate to see anyone
> get
> >>>> ripped off or misled.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, the first wiring job in this area I did in 1994 moving a
> >>> business
> >>>> from Zebulon to Knightdale took 3 hours for 5 PCs. For 120 wires?
> Try
> >>>> 156 hours for size. Pretty basic industrial engineering time
study.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim Ray, President
> >>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
> >>>>
> >>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
> >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
> >>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
> http://twitter.com/neuse
> >>>>
> >>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
> >>> email
> >>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
> >>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
[mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:52 PM
> >>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 3 hrs for 30 drops? No way unless you are running multiple
crews.
> >>> You
> >>>>> are looking closer to 120 hrs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would not touch it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Wow, business must be *really good* these days to turn down
> business
> >>>> without even talking to the client.  Perhaps my estimate was off
(I
> >>>> don't do this everyday), but a little understanding would have
gone
> >>> much
> >>>> farther.
> >>>>
> >>>> At any rate, thanks for letting me know upfront you are not
> >>> interested.
> >>>> It makes finding the right vendor (for this job and the next)
much
> >>>> easier.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Ron
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Ray, President
> >>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
> >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
> >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
> >>> http://twitter.com/neuse
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117,
send
> >>>> email
> >>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
> >>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
[mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
> >>> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:15 AM
> >>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
> >>>>> Subject: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone know of a good and reasonably-priced company that
> >>> installs
> >>>>> CAT-5 here in RTP?  I have a buddy who is moving his business
into
> >>> a
> >>>> new
> >>>>> building, and we need to get CAT-5 installed in each office.
The
> >>>>> building is just a shell right now, so the installation is
pretty
> >>>> easy.
> >>>>> Preferably, the company should be a certified installer as we
have
> >>> to
> >>>>> pass inspection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would do this myself, but we are looking at about 30 drops (4
> >>> cables
> >>>>> per drop) in the building which would take me much longer than
> >>>>> necessary.  An experienced set of guys should be able to finish
> the
> >>>> job
> >>>>> in about 3hrs max.  Depending on price, we may also get the
> >>> installers
> >>>>> to punch down all wires in the closet and make the necessary
> >>>> wall-plate
> >>>>> connections.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for any pointers...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Ron
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> -Ron
> rkelleyrtp at gmail.com
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