[TriLUG] OT: PT One tech issue from tonight's debate

[Jim Ray]

Well said. 

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On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:14 AM, "William Sutton" <william at trilug.org> wrote:

> Ugh, politics.
> 
> I'm with Aaron one one thing:  If you want to come to this country, work for a living, pay your taxes, and be a responsible member of society, the doors should be wide open.  That's part of what made this country so strong in the 1800s and early 1900s (technology or no).
> 
> William Sutton
> 
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Aaron Joyner wrote:
> 
>> Warning: this is veering *seriously* off topic for this list.
>> 
>> With that disclaimer... sure.  I'll bite.  Given the inevitable boom
>> that would result from the free melting pot of smart minds, yes.  I'd
>> *love* for my child to grow up in that world with a solid technical
>> background.  Any other thinking is protectionist nonsense.  I want my
>> son to work with the best and brightest minds in the world, not the
>> best and brightest minds that happen to be born here, or fit inside
>> the quota system centrally planned by a bureaucrat with no first-hand
>> knowledge of the needs of a particular sector.
>> 
>> Either you believe that great minds work together to create great
>> tools/products/widgets that make society better, which makes us all
>> better off, thus the more of that the merrier... or you believe that
>> there is a finite number of jobs and we have to keep people not born
>> here from stealing them, or we won't have any work to do.  Personally,
>> I firmly believe in the former, market-driven, entrepreneurial, world
>> view.  Elucidating why is probably unforgivably far off topic for this
>> list.
>> 
>> Aaron S. Joyner
>> 
>> PS - I didn't watch the debate, as it's very unlikely I'll vote for
>> either of the candidates in that debate.  What we really need is
>> voting reform, to something satisfying the Condorcet criterion, so I
>> can realistically stack rank a large field of candidates.
>> Unfortunately, I don't hold out high hope that we'll break the 2-party
>> gridlock in my life time, though.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM, P L Charles Fischer
>> <cfischer at modernferrotype.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>         So did you here Romney say no more H1B visas?
>>> 
>>>         Not in so many words, but in effect he said that there would
>>>         be no need for H1B visas because he would allow anybody that
>>>         had an accredited degree in a technical field to have a green
>>>         card. Here is the quote:
>>> 
>>>         "people around the world with accredited degrees in --- in
>>>         science and math get a green card stapled to their diploma,
>>>         come to the US of A."
>>> 
>>>         So what do you think?  Still thinking about wanting or even
>>>         letting your kids get a science or other technical degree?
>>> 
>>> If this is too off topic, sorry.
>>> 
>>> -Charles Fischer
>>> 
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