[TriLUG] Move over Google: Wilson, NC did it a long, long time ago

[Tim Jowers via TriLUG]

 Hi Don,
Thank you.

Maybe the city can work with independent providers instead of try to
compete itself? Seems a way to innovate without breaking the law.

Cheers,
Tim

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Don Jerman via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org>
wrote:

> The state law is Chapter 160A-340.1.  It's about making sure cities (in
> particular) cannot provide network services to non-city recipients using
> any labor, equipment or other capital or funds not used solely for
> providing communication services.  Which among other things prevents them
> from running along city right-of-way unless the value of that right-of-way
> is carved out and paid for, and prevents them from starting up the service
> using general funds.
>
> Also the city must pay all taxes and other revenues to the city, county and
> state that would be paid by a commercial carrier and must "impute (i) the
> cost of the capital component that is equivalent to the cost of capital
> available to private communications service providers in the same locality
> and (ii) an amount equal to all taxes, including property taxes, licenses,
> fees, and other assessments that would apply to a private communications
> service provider, including federal, State, and local taxes; rights-of-way,
> franchise, consent, or administrative fees; and pole attachment fees"
>
> Oh and just to make it easy for Wilson, the law assures that the city may
> discontinue service without any approval from the citizens.
>
> The upshot is, if your town can do networking for less than Verizon or Time
> Warner, you're not allowed to compete, even if you can do it better.
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Tim Jowers via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org>
> wrote:
>
> > That is, I have felt for a few years now there is probably a market for
> at
> > least one alternative, "clean" network.  Clean in content, in how its
> > managed, in price gouging (SSL certs), etc. Not sure how it would be
> ramped
> > up; but, suspect there is a real market there.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Tim Jowers <timjowers at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just curious if anyone knows. Does state law apply to only "The
> Internet"
> > > or to any network of compute devices?
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Jeff Patterson via TriLUG <
> > > trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> We are so screwed
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:58 PM, bak via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > If you would like to experience head-tilting puzzlement, and then
> > >> perhaps
> > >> > anger, here’s Fox News’ take on it.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/26/fcc-approves-sweeping-internet-regulation-plan-obama-accused-meddling/
> > >> >
> > >> > I especially liked this from Ajit Pai:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Further, he pointed to slower Internet speeds in Europe, which
> > largely
> > >> > treats the Internet as a public utility, in warning that the
> > additional
> > >> > regulation will lead to less investment and slower speeds in the
> U.S.
> > as
> > >> > well. "The Internet is not broken. There is no problem for the
> > >> government
> > >> > to solve," Pai said.
> > >> >
> > >> > —bak
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 14:48, Ric Moore via TriLUG <
> trilug at trilug.org>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 02/26/2015 02:24 PM, Pete Soper via TriLUG wrote:
> > >> > >> Wilson's gigabit
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2015/01/17/377757372/as-cities-push-for-their-own-broadband-cable-firms-say-not-so-fast
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
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