[TriLUG] Internet Neutrality

Fri Sep 8 17:48:08 EDT 2017

Truly the first problem is redundancy.  
I forget that some people don’t have it.  In my neighborhood I have 2 pipes that are landline, CATV and DSL.  I also have at least two discreet over-the-air services with Verizon and ATT-cellular, and then there’s via satellite.  I suspect we’ll see a 2nd via satellite availability soon.  So for my neighborhood the only problem with dynamically selecting providers is cost.   I’m actually already paying for Verizon cell-network AND Time-Warner/Spectrum land-line CATV already but I don’t generally have them both connected to the streaming-to-TV and desktop computers at the same time.   There are costs per bit differences between these two services though I don’t expect that will be true for much longer. 

My point is that with multiple service providers, we can, in fact, implement interesting technological solutions for the problem.  All we need for laws and regulations already exist in the form of anti-trust law, I think.  If Verizon and Spectrum collaborated to keep us from something or another, it would be bad.  Can they?  Technologically I’m sure they can.  Legally?  I’m clueless.    I’m still worried about the all encompassing government, or more likely, the amateur fascists, blocking availability of something or another.   

When is Gone With The Wind airing next?   Burn the books!  Tear down the statues!  Stop broadcasting that filth!    haha.  amazing what comes around and goes around.  

    Tadd

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> On Sep 8, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Brian via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
> 
> On 09/08/2017 02:19 PM, Tadd Torborg via TriLUG wrote:
>> I think we engineering types need to come up with a protocol or
>> mechanism that either
>> 
>> 1. makes the net neutral
> 
> I wish, but whoever controls the pipes controls the Internet.  Someone comes up with a protocol that bypasses non-neutral ISP behavior?  Just block that protocol at the nearest DMARC/whatever and call it a day.
> 
>> 
>> or
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>> 2. exposes the lack of neutrality.
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> The only thing that occurs to me, which would be immune from ISP meddling, would be keeping extensive client-side records of bandwidth per host.  That could expose patterns which would imply non-neutral ISP behavior; however, whether or not even gigabytes of that kind of evidence would lead to any sort of action against ISPs would remain to be seen.  Even then, without legislative and judicial support, such evidence wouldn't amount to a hill of beans for effecting any change. Internet access has almost reached necessity-of-living status; how many Americans would actually be willing to go without internet access for months or years in order to apply market pressure under the current monopoly structures?  Probably not enough to matter.
> 
> -B
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