[TriLUG] Internet Neutrality

[Wes Garrison via TriLUG]

Fixed wireless and LTE are no substitute for a landline connection.

They could be someday, but now they are encumbered by data caps.  It's
unreasonable for someone to pay hundreds of dollars a month for LTE data so
that they can stream Netflix on their computers.

I know this is a First World problem, but that's because the Third World
seems to have it solved.

Competition is key, and without it, there is no free market.

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Wesley S. Garrison
Network Engineer
Xitech Communications, Inc.
phone:  (919) 260-0803
fax:       (919) 932-5051
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On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Tadd Torborg via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org>
wrote:

> Truly the first problem is redundancy.
> I forget that some people don’t have it.  In my neighborhood I have 2
> pipes that are landline, CATV and DSL.  I also have at least two discreet
> over-the-air services with Verizon and ATT-cellular, and then there’s via
> satellite.  I suspect we’ll see a 2nd via satellite availability soon.  So
> for my neighborhood the only problem with dynamically selecting providers
> is cost.   I’m actually already paying for Verizon cell-network AND
> Time-Warner/Spectrum land-line CATV already but I don’t generally have them
> both connected to the streaming-to-TV and desktop computers at the same
> time.   There are costs per bit differences between these two services
> though I don’t expect that will be true for much longer.
>
> My point is that with multiple service providers, we can, in fact,
> implement interesting technological solutions for the problem.  All we need
> for laws and regulations already exist in the form of anti-trust law, I
> think.  If Verizon and Spectrum collaborated to keep us from something or
> another, it would be bad.  Can they?  Technologically I’m sure they can.
> Legally?  I’m clueless.    I’m still worried about the all encompassing
> government, or more likely, the amateur fascists, blocking availability of
> something or another.
>
> When is Gone With The Wind airing next?   Burn the books!  Tear down the
> statues!  Stop broadcasting that filth!    haha.  amazing what comes around
> and goes around.
>
>     Tadd
>
> Tadd / KA2DEW
> tadd at mac.com
> Raleigh NC  FM05pv
>
> “Packet networking over ham radio": http://tarpn.net/t/packet_
> radio_networking.html <http://tarpn.net/t/packet_radio_networking.html>
> Local Raleigh ham radio info: http://torborg.com/a <http://torborg.com/a>
>
> > On Sep 8, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Brian via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 09/08/2017 02:19 PM, Tadd Torborg via TriLUG wrote:
> >> I think we engineering types need to come up with a protocol or
> >> mechanism that either
> >>
> >> 1. makes the net neutral
> >
> > I wish, but whoever controls the pipes controls the Internet.  Someone
> comes up with a protocol that bypasses non-neutral ISP behavior?  Just
> block that protocol at the nearest DMARC/whatever and call it a day.
> >
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> 2. exposes the lack of neutrality.
> >
> > The only thing that occurs to me, which would be immune from ISP
> meddling, would be keeping extensive client-side records of bandwidth per
> host.  That could expose patterns which would imply non-neutral ISP
> behavior; however, whether or not even gigabytes of that kind of evidence
> would lead to any sort of action against ISPs would remain to be seen.
> Even then, without legislative and judicial support, such evidence wouldn't
> amount to a hill of beans for effecting any change. Internet access has
> almost reached necessity-of-living status; how many Americans would
> actually be willing to go without internet access for months or years in
> order to apply market pressure under the current monopoly structures?
> Probably not enough to matter.
> >
> > -B
> >
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