[TriLUG] Intel bug in the news today

Warren Myers via TriLUG trilug at trilug.org
Fri Jan 5 14:07:35 EST 2018


You cited the same list of "violations" that was on the savetheinternet 
page with your freepress link.

They've all been debunked.


On 18-01-04 13:33, Wes Garrison wrote:
> The FCC cannot enforce Net Neutrality under Title I.
>
> When they tried, Verizon sued them and won, saying they didn't have 
> the authority to regulate non-Common Carriers.
>
> The court agreed with Verizon that the FCC could only enforce Net 
> Neutrality if the Telecoms were classified under Title II.
>
> So Tom Wheeler's FCC re-classified them under Title II.
>
> Honestly this shouldn't be a political issue at all.  There is no 
> reasonable justification to not enforce Net Neutrality on the public 
> Internet, /especially/ since the Internet was invented and funded 
> using public funds from DARPA, and much of the Internet was built 
> using public funds, especially via universities.
>
> Access expansion continues to be funded via the Federal Universal 
> Service Fund fee.
>
> The only Cogent argument (see what I did there?) that anyone can make 
> against Title II is that it allows rate regulation, and even if the 
> Wheeler FCC said they would forbear from rate regulation, that does 
> not prevent some future FCC from regulating rates.
>
> I get that.
>
> The problem is that the only way to enforce Net Neutrality currently 
> is via Title II.
>
> I am happy to have ISPs be regulated under Title I if Congress will 
> act to preclude blocking, throttling, /and paid prioritization./  In 
> addition, Congress should authorize the FCC to regulate peering so we 
> don't end up with situations where Cogent/Netflix have to /pay the 
> ISPs/ to send data that has been /requested by their customers. /The 
> customers are already paying Comcast/Verizon/AT&T/Charter.  Netflix 
> already pays Cogent.  Comcast even charged Netflix to put Netflix 
> servers in the Comcast data center.
>
> Without competition, even rate regulation is not unreasonable.  Here 
> are my current choices for "high speed" Internet:
> AT&T 3Mbps DSL.
>
> My neighbors across the street can get 768Kbps. That's Kilobits.  2001 
> called, and they want their Internet back.
>
> The repeal of Net Neutrality only benefits ISPs while harming 
> consumers /and other businesses. /This is the exact behavior the FCC 
> was created to prevent.
>
> Here is a list of actual Net Neutrality violations by ISPs:
> https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history
>
> NN is supported by the vast majority of Americans, Republican and 
> Democrat.  It is only in Congress that it is contested.
>
> -Wes
>
> _________________________________
> Wesley S. Garrison
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> Xitech Communications, Inc.
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> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Warren Myers via TriLUG 
> <trilug at trilug.org <mailto:trilug at trilug.org>> wrote:
>
>     For that dozen or so list, may I refer to actual facts?
>
>     https://stratechery.com/2017/pro-neutrality-anti-title-ii/
>     <https://stratechery.com/2017/pro-neutrality-anti-title-ii/>
>
>     NONE of those were "neutrality" related
>
>     And all were handled quite well under Title I regulations
>
>     -WMM
>
>     On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:35 PM, bak via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org
>     <mailto:trilug at trilug.org>> wrote:
>
>     >
>     >
>     > For a nice overview of a dozen or so ISP-related shenanigans
>     that Net
>     > Neutrality put a stop to, from the mid-2000s until
>     implementation, may I
>     > refer you to:
>     >
>     > https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2017/04/25/net-
>     <https://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2017/04/25/net->
>     > neutrality-violations-brief-history <https://www.savetheinternet.
>     > com/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-violations-brief-history>
>     >
>     >
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