[TriLUG] recent "Poor Reputation Sender" bounces

[ac via TriLUG]

Hi Joe,

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:16:24 +0000 (GMT)
Joseph Mack NA3T via TriLUG <trilug at trilug.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, ac via TriLUG wrote:
> > To see the "free" world / independent view for Pilot:
> > http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/208.79.82.66.html  
> > Here, for example is one of Google's "best" or "better" email
> > servers - Some Google servers are so bad that they cannot be used
> > to send email to many places.... Microsoft is even a worse
> > spammer...btw...
> > http://multirbl.valli.org/lookup/209.85.221.52.html  
> Hi Andre,
> This is all opaque to me. What's the important information here?
> What's the important differences between these two machines.
> Thanks
> Joe
> 
Pilot is not listed as a current source of abuse anywhere (the valli
link literally represents THOUSANDS of blacklist databases as it
contains 'composite' lists and 'combined' lists - Where one entry
represents, for example, up to 20+ 'specialised' lists - valli also
contains rbl that runs active honeynets, spamtraps and all sorts of
generic harvesting - even on pre-active and pre-response - there is no
Pilot... - So, the Pilot "reputation" is VERY GOOD - but SenderScore
reputation, proprietary closed data, is pathetic at 61...

Google on the other hand is a source of spam, crime, porn, rubbish 
and just about every sort and type of abuse you can find on the Internet... 
Yet... mysteriously... it has a 'trust' and proprietary SenderScore of 97

This is basically a practical demonstration....

Even you were thinking of "let Google do my email" Yet, Google sucks
and is an active source of abuse, but it and Microsoft has become
so big and so dominant that it is not about anything much else than
them using their sheer size to dominate even more...

Google & Microsoft are great because they figured out how to rig the
game, also they are now so big that the only way to actually keep
clients is to teach clients to read email headers... My clients know
and see that their latest Phish is from Outlook.com - which they know
is Microsoft... They see that this weird porn link is from Google....-
as it is becoming increasingly harder to actually block Google &
Microsoft...- they mix legit with rubbish quite successfully...

Andre